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A guide to “No Comment” police interviews

A guide to “No Comment” police interviews

By Dark Politricks

Being arrested isn’t a whole lot of fun but it’s a whole world away from doing time at her majesties pleasure, and one of the most important factors which can turn an arrest into a conviction is the police interview and how you handle it.

Being interviewed, although not much fun in itself, can be seen in a good light when taken in context to how the police work. This is because it means the Police don’t have enough evidence on their own to charge with you an offence and are seeking to gather more incriminating evidence or even a confession from an interview.

The chances are that if you have been arrested for public order offenses or drunk and disorderly or other escapades leaving a nightclub you won’t get interviewed.

Instead you will be given free board in the cells and a court date in the morning. The reason for this is that you have committed your crime in front of witnesses (probably police officers) and they already have enough evidence at that point to charge you with an offence.

So if you have been nicked and the police do want to conduct an interview with you there is a good chance that they don’t have enough evidence at this point to charge you and they are hoping you will either confess all during the taped interview or slip up and incriminate yourself in some way that can be used against you.

I was taught the following lesson the hard way, but it’s one that should be memorised especially if you believe that one day the police may come knocking on your door:

Admitting anything in interview is doing the police’s job for them.

The reason why becomes very clear once you realise that there are multiple stages that someone will pass through once they have been arrested.

Once you understand the various hoops the legal process jumps through on the way to court you will see how much sense it makes to do a no comment interview even with the changes to the law passed in the much hated Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994.

Remember never to talk to the police until your solicitor arrives and then you can at least tell the court if asked why you gave a no comment interview that you did so on the advice of your brief.

Once arrested the police have to decide whether or not they have enough evidence to charge you with a crime. If they are interviewing you then they are looking for you to either confess to the crime or implicate yourself or others in said crime. If the police believe there is not enough evidence at this stage to proceed with then you might get let off without being charged or you might be released on police bail to return to the station at a later date.

If you are released on police bail then this means they are still looking into the crime and weighing up whether or not they have a good enough chance of prosecuting you.

This is where the Crown Prosecution Service comes in and their job is to decide whether the evidence gathered by the police is enough to mount a successful prosecution as well as deciding whether or not it is in the public interest to proceed. You can read about the guidelines that the CPS have to use when making their decision in the following document titled The Code For Crown Prosecutors.

If the CPS believe that their is insufficient evidence to mount a successful prosecution then they have the power to discontinue any existing prosecution and if you haven’t been charged yet then you would be informed that no further action is to be taken (NFA) on the matter. Receiving an NFA letter through the post is almost as good as winning the lottery.

Even if the CPS do continue the prosecution you will have the chance to tell your side of the story in court either in front of a magistrate or for more severe crimes in front of a Judge and Jury.

Therefore you can see how by doing the police’s job for them by talking during an interview is not in your best interest as it can give both the Police and the CPS everything they require to proceed with a prosecution.

A No Comment interview is always in your best interest.


This article has been taken from www.schnews.org.uk and is a guide to handling yourself in a police interview.

NO COMMENT – THE DEFENDANT’S GUIDE TO ARREST

If you think you might one day run the risk of being arrested, you must find out what to do in that situation. If prison, fines, “community service”, etc don’t appeal to you, by following this advice you can massively reduce the risk of all three. In the police station, the cops rely on people’s naivety. Wise Up.

When you have been arrested:

You have to give the police your name, address and date of birth. They also have the right to take your fingerprints, photo and non-intimate body samples. The Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 has now removed the traditional “right to silence”. However, all this means is that the police/prosecution can point out your refusal to speak to them, when the case comes to court, and the court may take this as evidence of your guilt. The police cannot force you to speak or to give a statement, whatever they may say to you in the station. Refusing to speak cannot be used to convict you by itself. It’s yet to be seen how the police will use this change in the law, but we reckon the best policy if you want to get off is remain silent. The best place to work out a good defense is afterwards, with your solicitor or witnesses, not under pressure in the hands of the cops. If your refusal to speak comes up in court, the best defense we think is to refuse to speak until your solicitor gets there, then get them to agree to your position. You can then say you acted on legal advice. Keeping silent is still the best thing to do in police custody.

Q: What happens when I get arrested?

When you are arrested, you will be taken to a police station. You will be asked your name, address and date of birth. Your personal belongings will be taken from you. These are listed on the custody record and usually you will be asked to sign that the list is correct. You should sign immeciately below the last item, so that the cops can’t add something incriminating to the list. You should also refuse to sign for something which isn’t yours, or which could be incriminating. You will then be placed in a cell until the police are ready to deal with you.

Q: When can I contact a solicitor?

You should be able to ring a solicitor as soon as you’ve been arrested. Once at the police station it is one of the first things you should do, for two reasons:

  1. To have someone know where you are
  2. To show the cops you are not going to be a soft target; they may back off a bit

It is advisable to avoid using the duty solicitor as they are often either crap or hand in glove with the cops. It’s worth finding the number of a good solicitor in your area and memorising it. The police are wary of decent solicitors. Also, avoid telling your solicitor exactly what happened; this can be sorted out later. For the time being, tell them you are refusing to speak. Your solicitor can come into the police station while the police interview you: you should refuse to be interviewed unless your solicitor is present.

Q: What is an interview?

An interview is the police questioning you about the offences they want to charge you with. The interview will usually take place in an interview room in the police station. An interview is only of benefit to the police. Remember they want to prosecute you for whatever charges they can stick on you. An interview is a no-win situation. For your benefit, the only thing to be said in an interview is “No Comment”. Remember, they cannot legally force you to speak.

Q: Why do the police want me to answer questions?

 

If the police think they have enough evidence against you they will not need to interview you. In most public order arrests they rely on witness statements from 1 or 2 cops or bystanders, you won’t even be interviewed.

The police want to convict as many people as possible because:

  1. They want to convict you to make it look like they’re doing a good job at solving crime. The “clear up rate” is very important to the cops, they have to be seen to be doing their job. The more crimes they get convictions for, the better it looks for them.
  2. Police officers want promotion, to climb up the ladder of hierarchy. Coppers get promotion through the number of crimes they “solve”. No copper wants to be a bobby all their life.

A “solved” crime is a conviction against somebody. You only have to look at such cases as the Birmingham Six to understand how far the police will go to get a conviction. Fitting people up to boost the “clear up rate”, and at the same time removing people the cops don’t like, is a widespread part of all police forces.

Q: So if the police want to interview me, it shows I could be in a good position?

Yes – they may not have enough evidence, and hope you’ll implicate yourself or other people. And the easy way to stay in that good position is to refuse to be drawn into a conversation and answer “No Comment” to any questions.

Q: But what if the evidence looks like they have got something on me? Wouldn’t it be best to explain away the circumstances I was arrested in, so they’ll let me go?

The only evidence that matters is the evidence presented in court to the magistrate or judge. The only place to explain everything is in court. If they’ve decided to keep you in, no amount of explaining will get you out. If the police have enough evidence, anything you say can only add to the evidence against you. When the cops interview someone, they do all they can to confuse and intimidate you. The questions may not be related to the crime. Their aim is to soften you up, get you chatting. Don’t answer a few small talk questions and them clam up when they ask you a question about the crime, it looks worse in court. To prosecute you, the police must present their evidence to the Crown Prosecution Service. A copy of the evidence will be sent to your solicitor. The evidence usually rests on very small points: this is why it’s important not to give anything away in custody. If they don’t have enough evidence the case could be thrown out of court or never even get to court. This is why they want you to speak. they need all the evidence they can get. One word could cause you a lot of trouble.

Q: So I’ve got to keep my mouth shut. What tricks can I expect the police to pull in order to make me talk?

The police try to get people to talk in many devious ways. The following are some pretty good examples, but remember they may try some other line on you.

THESE ARE THINGS THAT OFTEN CATCH PEOPLE OUT. DON’T GET CAUGHT OUT.

  • “Come on now, we know it’s you, your mate’s in the next cell and he’s told us the whole story”
    If they’ve got the story, why do they need your confession? Playing co-accused off against each other is a common trick as you have no way of checking what another person is saying. If you are up to something dodgy with other people, work out a story and stick to it. Plus you can’t be convicted just on the word of a co-accused.
  • “We know it’s not you, but we know you know who’s done it. Come on Jane, don’t be silly, tell us who did it”
    The cops will use your first name to try and seem as though they’re your friends. If you are young they will act in a fatherly/motherly way, etc.
  • “As soon as we find out what happened you can go”
    Fat chance!
  • “Look you little bastard, don’t fuck us about. We’ve dealt with some characters, a little runt like you is nothing to us. We know you did it, you little shit, and you’re going to tell us”
  • “What’s a nice kid like you doing messed up in a thing like this?”
    They’re trying to get at you.
  • “We’ll keep you in until you tell us”
    Unless they charge you for a “serious offence” they have to release you within 24 hours. Even if you are suspected of a “serious offence” you have the right to a solicitor after 36 hours, and only a magistrate can order you to be held without charge for longer.
  • “You’ll be charged with something far more serious if you don’t answer our questions, sonny. You’re for the high jump. You’re not going to see the light of day for a long time. Start answering our questions cos we’re getting sick of you”
    Mental intimidation. They’re unlikely to charge you with a serious charge that won’t stick in court. Don’t panic.
  • “My niece is a bit of a rebel”
  • “If someone’s granny gets mugged tonight it’ll be your fault. Stop wasting our time by not talking”
    They’re trying to make you feel guilty. Don’t fall for it – did you ask to be nicked and interviewed?
  • Mr Nice: “Hiya, what’s it all about then? Sergeant Smith says you’re in a bit of trouble. He’s a bit wound up with you. You tell me what happened and Smith won’t bother you. He’s not the best of our officers, he loses his rag every now and again. So what happened?”
    Mr Nice is a devious as Mr Nasty. He or she will offer you cigarettes, a cuppa, a blanket. It’s the softly-softly approach. It’s bollocks. “No Comment”.
  • “We’ve been here for half an hour now and you’ve not said a fucking word … look you little cunt, some of the CID boys will be down in a minute, they’ll have you talking in no time. Talk now or I’ll bring them in”
    Keep at it , they’re getting desperate. They’re about to give up. You’ve a lot to lose by speaking.
  • “Your girlfriend’s outside. Do you want us to arrest her? We’ll soon have her gear off for a strip search. I bet she’ll tell us. You’re making all this happen by being such a prick. Now talk.”
    They pick on your weak spots, family, friends, etc. Gerry Conlon of the Guildford Four was told that his mother would be shot by the RUC unless he confessed. Cops do sometimes victimise prisoner’s families, but mostly they are bluffing.
  • “You’re a fucking loony. Who’d want you for a mother, you daft bitch? Confess or your kids are going into care”
  • “Look, we’ve tried to contact your solicitor, but we can’t get hold of them. It’s going to drag on for ages this way. Why don’t you use one of our duty solicitors, and we’ll soon get the situation cleared up so you can go home”
    Never accept an interview without your solicitor present, and don’t make a statement even if your solicitor advises you to – a good one won’t.
  • “You’re obviously no dummy. I’ll tell you what, we’ll do a deal. You admit to one of the charges, and we’ll recommend to the judge that you get a non-custodial sentence, because you’ve co-operated. How does that sound?”
    They’re trying to get you to do a deal. There are no deals to be made with the police. This bloke got sent down for not paying a fine. The prisoner he was handcuffed to in the prison bus did a deal with the police. He pleaded guilty to a charge after being promised a non-custodial sentence. The man trusted the police, he was a smalltime businessman accused of fraud. When it came to court, the judge gave him 2 years. The bloke was speechless!
  • “We’ve been round to the address you gave us and the people there say they don’t know you. We’ve checked up on the DSS computer and there’s no sign of you. Now come on, tell us who you are. Wasting police time is a very serious offence. Now tell us who you are or you’ve had it”
    If you’ve sorted out a false address with someone make sure they’re reliable, and everyone in the place knows the name you’re using. Stick at it, if you’re confident. You can’t be charged for wasting police time for not answering questions.
  • “They’ve abolished the right to silence – you have to tell us everything now, it’s the law”
    As we said at the beginning, you can still say nothing. There is no obligation to tell the cops anything beyond your name, address and date of birth.

If you are nicked on very serious charges, or for serious violence to a police officer, the cops may rough you up, or use violence and torture to get a confession (true or false) out of you. Many of the people freed after being fitted up by the West Midlands Serious Crimes Squad, or coming to light now in Manchester, were physically abused till they admitted to things they hadn’t done. If this happens, obviously it’s your decision to speak rather than face serious injury, but remember, what you say could land you inside for a long time, even if it’s not true. Don’t rely on retracting a confession in court – it’s hard to back down once you’ve said something.

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In the police station the cops rely on people’s naivety. If you are sussed the chances are they’ll give up on you. In these examples we have tried to show how they’ll needle you to speak. That’s why you have to know what to do when you’re arrested. The hassle in the copshop isn’t nice, but if you are on the ball, you can get off. You have to be prepared. We’ve had a lot of experience of the police and we simply say:

  1. Keep calm and cool when you are arrested. (Remember you are on their home ground).
  2. Get a solicitor.
  3. Never make a statement.
  4. Don’t get drawn into conversations with the police.
  5. If they rough you up, see a doctor immediately after being released. Get a written report of all bruising and marking. Remember the officer’s names and numbers if possible.

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Having said nothing in the police station, you can then look at the evidence and work out your alibi, your side of the story. This is how you will get off.

Remember:

  • An interview is a no-win situation. You are not obliged to speak.
  • If the police want to interview you, it shows you’re in a good position.
  • The only way to stay in that position is to refuse to be drawn into any conversation and answer “No Comment” to any questions.

Q: What can I do if one of my friends or family has been arrested?

If someone you know is arrested, there’s a lot you can do to help them from the outside:

  1. If you know what name they are using – as soon as you think they’ve been arrested, ring the police station. Ask whether they are being held there and on what charges.
  2. Inform a decent solicitor.
  3. Remove anything from the arrested person’s house that the police may find interesting: letters, address books, false IDs, etc in case the police raid the house.
  4. Take food, cigarettes, etc into the police station for your arrested friend, but DON’T go into the police station to enquire about a prisoner if you run the risk of being arrested yourself.

The police have been known to lay off a prisoner if they have visible support from outside. It’s solidarity which keeps prisoners in good spirits.

This information has been extracted from a pamphlet by London Anarchist Black Cross 27 Old Gloucester Street, London, WC1N 3XX via http://www.schnews.org.uk


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  1. Florida beach weddings by Bob says

    In the USA we supposedly still have the right to remain silent. It seems in the UK they deleted that right. The article is good advise for my country as well. Now I see why the police want people to talk at the interviews.

    • Paul Condon says

      No, you have the right to remain silent in the UK, as should be obvious from the article. If you didn’t, a ‘no comment’ interview would get you charged with refusing to co-operate with the police. It is even in the first part of the caution: “You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention, when questioned, something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence.”

      • darkpolitricks says

        Hi, the law they changed was that it is now mentioned in court that you did a no comment interview and it is up to the jury to make their own minds up about the reasons why you may have done so. Before they didn’t bring it up and it was always a given that you should do a no comment interview.

        Tony Blair wanted higher conviction rates so he thought letting the jury know that you had kept silent would insinuate guilt (in the eyes of the jury) especially if you then relied on a defence in court that you didn’t bring up in interview – so the wording of the caution was changed as Paul mentions.

        However you should always speak to your brief/lawyer first and decide your strategy before being interviewed and then you can say that you did a no comment interview on the advice of your lawyer – obviously only if he advices such..

        • stephen says

          I learned this lesson the hard way. I was taken in and questioned. I figured I had nothing to hide. They twisted everything I said and confused me to the point of me confessing to multiple crimes that were not even committed. Strange thing is I don’t even remember confessing, but I’m there on video confessing. I got 12 years for crimes that never happened. My life was ruined and nobody wants to hire an excon. Cops are not interested in truth, their job is to convict, not to get to the truth.

          • darkpolitricks says

            Sorry to hear about your situation. I totally agree with you about the Police in interviews and in general. If you say ANYTHING in interview you are doing their job for them. Keep quiet and let them find any evidence.
            They will lie to you, take advantage of you if you are an addict by offering you an early release or sometimes even drugs if you confess and the duty solicitor often works hand in hand with the cops.
            Get your own solicitor and keep quiet. Come up with your defense when you are well and have time to think.

        • Tony Hard says

          Gr8t advice! Recently, I’ve been accused falsely of “firearm possession to threaten my ex and telling her to go back to her country”; interviewed after 10 hrs being thrown in a police cell; my car and all searches 18 were all satisfactory ! CLEAN; during the interview, only confirmed my position as not done such offence, no firearm held ever! my ex has repeatedly accused me falsely in other occasion and NFAed, but this time on bail; car and phone seized; what should I do to protect myself by any future malicious allegation by my ex; Police are aware of such history of false claims, no evidence on such case, but bail is shite! do I need a counter claim for false defamation/accusation or DV non-molestation order? Tony

          • darkpolitricks says

            I can only say speak to a proper Lawyer. Domestic disputes and her word v yours type accusations are difficult to charge someone for without 3rd party witnesses or physical evidence, so even if you are on bail, if you haven’t done what she is accusing you of and there is no proof you should be NFA’d.

            To stop it in future I would speak to a lawyer about possible harassment caused by her going to the police with multiple (proved) false accusations.

  2. Tony Butler says

    During my police training in the UK, forty-years ago, great emphasis was placed on the importance of obtaining a statement from the prisoner, to aid conviction.
    I believe that all police interviews are recorded, nowadays, which removes much of the scope for a bent police officer to embellish a prisoner’s statement. They always used to begin, “I wish to make a statement. I want someone to write down what I say …” With practice it was easy to spot police jargon in a supposedly word by word transcript from a prisoner. The tendency was to word the statement so that it covered the points necessary to make the charge stick, in Court. An old favourite was to ask someone carrying a walking stick, “Would you use that to defend yourself from attack?” “Oh, you would, in that case I am arresting you for being in possession of an offensive weapon.”
    So even then, saying nothing was always good advice,
    With the practice of recording of interviews, the temptation for police officers to obtain an ‘on the scene’ statement must quite high. If it is unrecorded, and police now work in pairs, it would be their word against yours.
    Except for stating your name, address and D.O.B. Say nothing.
    It was said that 85% of cases brought before a court would have been dismissed had the defendant no have pleaded, ‘Guilty!’.

  3. Rocco says

    Another thing to mention is never talk about the circumstances to another prisoner. They often put you in with other people who have been arrested, and conversations are plentiful. They will tell another prisoner that they will get out early, if they tell the cops what you said to them.

    • darkpolitricks says

      Cheers Roco,

      I have actually had a couple of policemen (ex) and serving read this article and have attested to the basic underlying truth that anything but a “no comment” interview is doing the Police’s job for them.

      Thanks for commenting

  4. Jools says

    Mr Butler – what rank did you finally achieve? You wouldn’t have been in the Gloucestershire Constabulary, would you? Just curious.

  5. BRiTiSHSM says

    had more experience of all this than I would ever wish on anyone.

    Was arrested on returning from a Christmas Party – The cops made a big mistake in questioning me and having me sign statements when I was clearly very drunk – they claimed I wasn’t – yet other people at the party and my taxi driver made statements to the contrary.

    They then brought me back in for a second interview (I still hadn’t got a brief at that time … IDIOT ME!) fortunately the charges were quite involved and reasonably technical and so two things happened 1.) from the first 3 or 4 questions I realised they had NO CLUE as to what they were talking about (essentially computer fraud / piracy) 2.) that even if I could sufficiently and clearly explain the situation in a way to minimise my guilt it would be COMPLETELY lost on these two eejits – therefore I elected to stay silent.

    They will also during a “no comment” interview read you a “special warning” this is exactly the same as your original warning when arrested and given at the start of the interview it is worded differently and sounds like your up for the noose if you dont speak … but its just the same old guff that you SHOULD mention now something you MAY later rely on in court.
    the best mitigation for “no comment” is that you did not feel that at that time your mental state was such that you could clearly and accurately communicate your disputation of the charges, that you did not believe you would be able to accurately recall all the events and times you were being questioned about which could have led to a further charge of perjury and/or that the technical nature of your defence would be beyond the technical grasp of the officers present and may lead to miscommunication and possibly be taken as an admission of guilt.

    the whole of my “time” with the police lasted well over 4 years (from arrest to sentence) and I learnt that they have a job to do – and like anyone with a job to do if they can find a shortcut that saves a bit of time, saves a bit of paperwork they’ll take it. Always be on your guard, DO NOT speak to the cops outside of the station either – I arrived early for an interview and was sitting on a bench having a coffee when one of the officers involved with my case came over and made small talk, I mentioned I was thinking of going on holiday for a week as the whole “case” was very stressful – at the end of the interview he stated he had intelligence that I was intending to flee the country and had my passport seized … DO NOT SPEAK TO THEM AT ALL!

    anyway – good work Dark Politik – keep it up 🙂

  6. Edossa says

    Quote police;

  7. Sean says

    Yes I agree; all the police basically have is 1) Fear & 2) Intimidation. Just always try to keep that in mind no matter how scary your situation may seem. Stay calm, and keep in mind that they obviously don’t have much proof or evidence; otherwise you wouldn’t be getting interrogated in the first place. I think I heard a rumor that like 90 % of a successful criminal conviction is based on evidence. That is why a lot of state court cases end up losing if it is taken to trial. They typically can’t come up with all that evidence. I mean, put yourself in their shoes. How are they really going to be able to solve a crime and come up with all that evidence to actually prove it for the most part? Unless of course you have it on videotape or several eye witnesses. In actuallity, they aren’t even doing much of the work of literally solving the crime at hand, They are just fittiing the puzzle pieces together which were handed to them right on their plates. I would guess that majority of the crimes they deal with are open and shut cases and most likely does not take much detective work to solve… Now the Federal criminal system is a whole new ball game. I feel for people who end up getting caught up federally. They on the other hand have like approximately a 95% successful conviction rate. And on top of that, you will end up doing basically all of the time which you were sentenced to. Ten years in there basically means ten years. (However, Feds sentence in months, not years; so that would be 120 months.) In the state prison system on the other hand, a ten-year sentence, (typically called a dime) you might serve one year to eighteen months and then you are granted a parole. There is ‘good time’ they call it where you revieve a day for every three you serve. That makes knocks a lot a time off in the long run, People don’t think about it at the beginning of their sentence but then at their downhill point is where it is appreciated. And your counselor can run you up for a “special parole” if he or she chooses. It;s weird. For some reason it was never a possibility for me, but certain people they just liked or something, Maybe they drew out of a hat, Haha I don’t know. It wouldn’t surprise me the way they operate. I did approximately five years on a twelve year sentence, which is a lot considering I went State. Granted, my crime was violent, there was a stabbing involved. In addition, I was involved in a few fights while I was in and the parole board does not look too kindly upon that; especially if you are in prison for a violent crime in the first place. So, I can see their point. But majority of the things they do and decisions they make never did make sense to me. However, I didn’t know everyones’ caseload so who am I to say what is right and wrong. Although, clearly their way of doing things is not and has not been working for quite some time. I think It’s like only seven percent who don’t reoffend or return to prison. And it is typically the same guys/girls who return several times and recitivism rate remains the same. So why is it that they continue with their encarceration operation the same way when obviously seven percent is pretty close to as bad as a failure rate as you can get? They do offer treatment classes and other self-help groups in most of the prisons, at least I will give them that. But, I believe they are only offering those programs for financial gain which they receive from the federal government. If they are not benefiting from it in some way they wouldn’t even bother with it. They aren’t doing it out of the kindness of their hearts I am sure of that. Most of those guards don’t even acknowledge inmates as human beings. So, population is increasing each year little by little, though it is typically the same ones. The ‘regulars’ we would call them. But I would say some changes need to be made to this system to try and fix some of the corruption which has only worsened gradually each generation. Apparently we don’t have all the answers but trial and error might accomplish something. We must start somewhere. It can’t really get any worse than it already is. For the most part the only place we can go from here is up. We need to think beyond the ‘now’ as well. We must consider the future. Our children; and our children’s children. That way, those ‘higher-ups’ in control of most of the decision making would possibly be influenced by their hearts instead of by dollar signs,

  8. Zharkov says

    The right to remain silent is a fundamental human right that continues to exist in every nation regardless of subsequent laws enacted to deny that right. It’s one of those rights that cannot be legislated away by government because it was never granted by government. The American Bill of Rights does not list exhaustively ALL human rights, but the ones that were included are fundamental rights.

    Crown comment on silence at trial can cut both ways. If a prosecutor is permitted to comment on the silence of the accused during police interrogation, then the prosecutor can have no objection if the defense comments on the ignorance of the police at the time of the attempted interrogation.

    For example, if police ask, “Did you hit that man”, the defense lawyer should be able to comment on closing argument to the jury that, at that moment, the assailant was unknown and police were guessing wildly in the absence of evidence of guilt, for if they had the evidence, they would not need to ask the question. What that means is that the police themselves had “reasonable doubt” about the identity of the assailant.

  9. Moi says

    Excellent advice and I am living proof… 5x Arrested (police on a witch hunt) and 5x my solicitor said No Comment…
    All 5 arrests NFA
    Used to have respect for now… Arseholes.

    • darkpolitricks says

      I couldn’t agree more. My life was literally ruined by bent coppers and I have seen things that most people would never believe an “honest bobby on the beat” would do.

      First time I was nicked I was 14 because “I looked suspicious” and someone was riding round the estate on a stolen moped. I was driven up the road in a car full of 3 big male cops who stopped the car next to some woods and threatened to take me in them and beat the shit out of me unless I told them where the moped was.

      Luckily for me over the radio came a voice saying the person had been spotted elsewhere still on the moped. I was de-arrested without even an apology.

      That was my first experience of ever talking to a policeman and I have a hundred or more stories that I won’t go into but led me to write that article.

  10. anon says

    my brother has raped my daughter, my friend, her daughter, and his ex-girlfriend… when questioned by the police, he just said no comment to every question.. is this legal.. Im a Devistated mother, who is searching for answers

    • darkpolitricks says

      Yours is a sad story but just like pleading the 5th amendment in the USA i.e not having to answer questions that might incriminate yourself. The idea of the no comment interview is perfectly legal and it’s been there for a very long time in UK law until Labour changed the rules slightly when they came to power. They did this in the hope of raising conviction rates and changed the law so that the fact the person being interviewed gave a “no comment interview” can be brought up in court and the jury/magistrate can make their own mind up about whether the defendant was just saying “no comment” to not give an account of themselves OR they had a real reason not to give one at that time. In your case it will be brought up at the mans trial and it is up to your lawyer to do his job and make this rapist give an account of himself on the witness stand in court.

      You may not like it but we cannot all live by one sad unfortunate case as for every case like yours there are two where the police are pure bullies and we can and never should forget the Guildford 4 and Birmingham 6 who spend 20+ years in prison for crimes they didn’t commit all because their statements given in interview were tampered with by the police. A no comment interview helps prevent this kind of tampering by the police.

      For people who are uninitiated with dealing with the police from the other side (I have been on both) it would come as quite a shock to see or even just hear about some of the things policemen in this day and age still get up to all to get a good conviction rate.

      There are many hypocrites who commit crimes they get away with (the thin blue line) due to being policemen but then convict and ruin the lives of others who carry out the exact same acts. I know policeman who take hard drugs for personal use (not because they are undercover) and even brag about being a cop and then go out and put people away for years for doing the same. Then we have dozens (of reported – hundred/thousands of non reported cases) of cops who regularly speed over 100mph on motorways and they are not even given a fine (you must have read this yourself in papers) plus all the brutal beatings in cells and high streets the country over for little or no reason (I have been on the end of more than a few) including the institutionalised racsim in many police forces that mean many people of colour “fall down the stairs” and end up dying in stations all over the country.

      Why would you give a “no comment interview” for legitimate reason? Well you might be seriously unwell, withdrawing from drugs (prescribed or illegal), addicted to cigarettes (not allowed in UK stations anymore – anywhere! Imagine being a smoker and not being able to smoke for 24+ hours), mentally unwell, feeling depressed, scared or pressured by the police to say something that you don’t want to. The “no comment interview” protects you.

      Also the “no comment interview” is perfectly legal and there to
      a) protect your civil rights
      and
      b) protect vulnerable and often weak people from being coerced into saying something they might not mean or might not have done for various reasons I have already mentioned.

      Just because the person gave one however it does not mean they won’t be charged or convicted. If your daughter and friends have all given statements, take the stand and the police have DNA proof there is every chance this rapist will be convicted in court even without an interview confession. I wish you well.

  11. Anon says

    I’m sorry but this is horrible. The man who raped me said ‘no comment’ and because of that the case was never sent to the CPS. So great to see that there is an easy way out for criminals. just shut your mouth. He ruined my life and he just got off scot free after some months on bail conditions. I’m sure that the NFA letter you refer to was received with great joy!

    • darkpolitricks says

      Sorry but I didn’t rape you and if you were ever accused of a crime you didn’t commit (as I have – quite serious ones) then you deserve protection.

      You might not like to hear it but women/girls do accuse men of rape when they haven’t done it (for many reasons) but that is why you should have a lawyer, DNA tests, evidence from the crime scene and a case to bring forward.

      If it’s only one persons word against another’s then no matter what the crime (rape, assault, theft etc) then you are going to need either a confession or evidence they committed the crime. If you don’t have anything other than your word then even if it went to trial you would most likely lose.

      I ask you a question – and you know rape conviction rates are low in the UK – would you have like to have gone all the way to court, given evidence in public and then saw your rapist get off not guilty or would you have rather it happened earlier on? Which would be more traumatic for you?

      The CPS would have brought the case to trial if they thought they had a good chance of winning (read the CPS guidelines I link to) so it’s not that the person kept their mouth shut it is that the Government (the CPS) decided they had no evidence to get a conviction.

      As we don’t live in a Police State where we let our policemen torture prisoners (even though the odd beating in the night with a blue mattress over you does happen still) then no-one can force you to speak. Labour has made it so the fact the accused gave a no comment interview up in court – but if the CPS don’t even take the case to court then I am sorry but you should be shouting at the CPS not me. I am trying to protect people like the many thousands of innocent people locked up for crimes they never committed NOT RAPISTS WHO HAVE RAPED PEOPLE.

      I am sorry that you got raped but there must have been more going on than you are saying as if the hospital had got DNA from the rapist from you OR seen you had been raped (bruising, cuts etc) then they still would have proceeded with the case. As I don’t know the facts then I don’t know the ins and outs and what happened with the case.

      • anon says

        You seem to be quick to criticize the police and it seems convenient that you are apparently being ‘fitted up’ on several occasions by the cops?! I think you may have jealously and authority issues with the police… have you secretly wanted to be a cop I wonder?
        Seriously, this is not life on mars mate!
        The ‘fits ups’ you all talk about are myths from a Krays novel!
        This is 2014 and I can tell you now that this sort of thing does not exist in the UK police today… fact!
        Read code G PACE all of you please…necessity of arrest.

        • darkpolitics says

          If “anon” you are talking to me then you obviously have

          a) only had good experiences with the police, which is mostly the case with middle class, white, older, richer people in the UK not young, coloured, estate dwelling or poor gangs of youths with nothing to do but hang around. If there is nothing to do at night and you have no money – mischief will come from boredom etc

          b) Where have I personally said “I was fitted up”? Please tell me? I have just given experiences of my own with the police where they went over the top e.g getting arrested for “looking suspicious” outside a shop because someone had a stolen moped when I was 14. That was not my fault, but the threat of being beaten in the woods (it does happen – just walk outside your country house into a local town or high street on a weekend) then it obviously would have put a bad perspective of the police in to my head as it was the first time I had ever spoke to a cop. I am sure if the same had happened to you, then you would think differently.

          If your only experiences of cops are good then you will think they are shining examples of honour and brave foot soldiers on the front line against the wave of crime and terrorism hitting our country.

          However if you actually read the news or read any papers over the last 30 years you will see that there have been many inquiries proving that people have been fitted up (Guildford 4, Birmingham 6 and many others who don’t have campaigns behind them) also a report PROVED the MET was institutionally racist after the Stephen Lawerence murder (The BBC went undercover to film racist cops) and a government report was acted on to try and clean it up. If you actually read some books on the police – I recommend one called “bent cops” you will see the tricks and methods they use to fit someone up if they cannot get evidence. If you smoke, they will pick up discarded fag buts and then leave them near the seen of the crime so your DNA is present. Even a top London Gangster, Dave Courtney, managed to get off a serious charge (Belmarsh high security prison) by proving he was fitted up by the police. Kenneth Noye, the M25 murderer who was actually defending himself from a road rage attack by a bigger and younger man, was in the 80’s under surveillance by the Police over the Brink Matt Gold Robbery (I believe – don’t quote me). And a cop, dressed all in black, no ID, nothing to say he was a cop, was hiding in his garden spying on his house. Ken came home, found this man and a fight occurred. The cop was stabbed to death. Kenneth Noye was acquitted in a court of law of the crime because the police didn’t identify himself and it was impossible to tell if he was telling the truth dressed like an SAS soldier anyway. The police hated Noye for getting away with that which is why they spent years trying to fit him up and get him for anything – despite the fact he was also (like most top UK gangsters) a police informant.

          Also at the moment we have the stop and search laws being discussed in the news as they don’t stop crime, stop people of colour a huge amount more than white people, and make people hate the police even more. Winning hearts and minds – no.

          I am not saying this is Russia or corrupt Spain and I have lived in Spain where if you get nicked you better have a few hundred euros on you to hand over to the policeman to prevent being remanded for 2 years before a trial.

          And no I never wanted to be a policeman.

          As for authority issues – yes I have lots – have you not read any #altnews lately about the NSA, the GCHQ spying on us, Governments overruling us and going to war, the banksters ripping us off and being too big to fail AND JAIL? There is a lot wrong with authority if you don’t think so you have your head in the sand. I got my distaste for it from school – why – because in class when I asked why whenever I was told something I was told to shut up and “just because”.

          I soon learnt people don’t like being asked the reason why, especially when it is a question that they don’t want to answer. So yes I did muck about at school but I also got 4 As, 3 Bs and 1 C and 3 A levels. I also learnt to always ask why and so should you.

          If you think this world we are living in is just great then your either rich or don’t give a shit. The whole setup is a mess. You need to read some more. I have plenty of books I can give you if you want that will change your mind from Philosophy, History, to biographies on Gangsters and the stories from Cops on how they bent the rules to catch them.

          From what I have seen police are split in two groups. One the few that actually want to do something good to help the community, and prevent crime. They may break the odd rule on the way but they start off with a good attitude.

          The other are those people who are bullied at school and want to get their own back on society. They want to have the power they never had as kids. They want to punish the people who bullied them or made their lives misery OR those people like that. These are the police who cut corners, break laws, see themselves as untouchable and beat the shit out of you on a weekend when a simple handlock would do.

          If you think otherwise you must be living in Iceland or Norway or somewhere where there is no crime and hardly any policeman. I ask you – how many times have you personally been arrested? None? or Lots?

          As you can see from the replies on this thread many people have been stitched up by the police and even coppers have commented on this thread.

          I think it is you who is living in a story book – probably one from the 1920s before the Krays even existed. If you don’t live in a city or big town and see a massive fight at 11pm on pub closing time every weekend then you are not living in the REAL UK.

          • Willyb0ne says

            Well said – but I’d like to raise a slight challenge to one of the things you said about stop and search…

            While there are reasons to carry out stop and search within all communities from time to time, Britain’s black community falls into a trap between itself and the class divide this country is built upon.

            Britain’s Black community account for no more than 2.5% of the population and are present in very limited areas within a few cities like London, Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham etc… for the most part, Black Britain has been working class for the majority of it’s British history.

            70% of Britians gun crime is black on black. This is not, by and large happening amongst black females, nor amongst black people over the age of 30. So we have black males between the age of 12 and 30 – about 0.3% of the countries population at best – accounting for 70% of shootings and being the victims 70% of the time. This is astounding and something the black community wants to be rid of. Violent crime is also disproportionately black in Britain and America… but the small number of blacks compared to other Britain’s (like say whites) still means this is a small amount of violence.

            Because of these facts, stop and searches are higher amongst black males within areas of high gun crime. A special unit (Trident) has been put together to address this and one obvious strategy is to increase stop and searches of young black males within those problem areas. This is often urgent due to the common occurrence of retaliatory shootings/violence within the often Hip Hop imitating black British communities. I’m from one I know what they are like. It’s not just a black thing, it’s a poor thing… and most black people have been poor in Britain. But white Britain doesn’t murder itself like Black Britain does… neither does Indian Britain or Turkish Britain. Black Britain has a unique problem that it suffers from and it’s a real nightmare. The higher rates of teenage mothers doesn’t help either… just perpetuates the problem in my opinion.

            Thats not to say there has never been any racism within the Police – of course their has, hatred and prejudice comes in all forms racism being one of them. There is a proven history of racism within British Policing, black Britain maybe having suffered most from that.

            It makes the expectation of Oxbridge suddenly being flooded with black students and the ranks of the Police being suddenly filled with black recruits seem so stupid. Like black people are just cuing up to joint the institutionally racist police force or establishment education facilities.

        • MICHAEL TAPLIN says

          HI ANON, LET ME TELL YOU HIS ONE THEN, I AM 66 YEARS OLD, NEVER HAD A CRIMINAL CONVICTION, MY GRANDSON IS BEING STITCHED UP BY THE POLICE, HE IS BEING CHARGED FOR GBH WITH INTENT FOR PROTECTING HIS FATHER, SOME OF IT HE IS GUILTY OF, HE WAS 17 AT THE TIME AND IT IS COMING TO COURT FOR THE THIRD TIME IN JANUARY AFTER 16 MONTHS. THIS IS NOT A MYTH FROM THE KRAYS, THE POLICE WOMAN, AND THE CID OFFICER ARE BLATANTLY UNDER OATH TELLING LIES OF WHAT HAPPENED, ALSO A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE, I AM A WELL EDUCATED MAN AND HAVE BEEN DOING MY OWN INVESTIGATIONS, I CAN PROVE WITHOUT ANY DOUBT THE POLICE OR CPS HAVE SERIOUSLY TAMPERED WITH THE CCTV, WHICH IF THEY GET THEIR OWN WAY WILL SEE MY GRANDSON GET A PRISON TERM, I AM NOT SURE WHOSE SIDE YOU ARE ON, OR IF I EVEN LIKE YOUR ATTITUDE AND COMMENTS ON HERE, BUT IF YOU ARE MR. CLEVER AS YOU SEEM TO BE, ANSWER THIS ONE THEN!!!! MANY THANKS, I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR REPLY ON THIS ONE. PS. IF YOU ARE GOING TO ANSWER, PLEASE DO NOT MAKE STUPID COMMENTS THAT THE POLICE WOULD NOT DO THAT, I HAVE PROOF THE TAPE HAS BEEN TAMPERED WITH, I HAVE PROOF THEY ARE LYING UNDER OATH!!!!!!!

          • michael taplin says

            DARKPOLITICS, I HAVE JUST READ YOUR MSSAGE ABOVE REGARDING ANON!!!!!! WE HAVED JUST MOVED BACK TO THE UK AFTER 12 YEARS FROM SPAIN, AND WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT POLICE THERE IS VERY TRUE, ANON SAYS ABOUT THE KRAYS, I LOVE THEIR DVDS, THEIR BOOKS AND EVERYTHING ABOUT THEM, ALSO PREVIOUS TO MOVING IN SPAIN, WE LIVED IN LARKFIELD KENT FOR 34 YEARS WHICH IS 12 MILES FROM WHERE KENNY NOYE LIVED, AND YES, AGREE WITH YOU THE POLICE AFTER THE INCIDENT AT HIS HOUSE, DID,NT LEAVE HIM ALONE, BUT MANY YEARS AGO THEY DID THE SAME TO GEORGE DAVIS IN THE EAST END. I FEEL THE SAME WAY AS YOU DO TOWARDS ANON, I AM HOPING HE REPLIES TO MY MAIL, I WILL BE VERY, VERY INTERESTED TO HEAR HIS OPINION ON WHAT I HAVE TOLD HIM, REGARDS MICK

        • nic says

          Ending a statement with the word ‘fact’ does not make the said statement the truth much less a fact not even capitalisation or italics make it so as seen in the following example…
          The moon is made of cheese FACT !!!
          I dont think this is limited to the UK ….

        • kurupt manc says

          how can you say the POLICE do not fit people up in the U,K ??
          it has been proven many times that police have been sacked for being corrupt
          greater manchester police have been investigated many times for fitting people up,
          I myself was fitted up on 3 occasions,

          you must be a Ex Copper born with a silver spoon stuck up your arse

          ,

  12. stej says

    The police came to my house tonight saying they were going to arrest me about an allegation of theft a few years afore. I’ve been ill the last few days so they called through to whoever and they said i can arrange to go in. They did a very little each and that was it. Do you think i should go no comment because if twas that serious they would have arrested me there and then. What do you think

    • darkpolitricks says

      Well I cannot give legal advise as I am not a lawyer. I would suggest going and getting a lawyer (not a duty solicitor) and asking him first before going in.

      If they have waited so long before arresting you then new evidence must have come to light otherwise you would have been nicked years ago at the time. What that evidence is you won’t know until you are in interview so you have the option of giving short yes/no answers as well as no comment to others. You could even hear what they had to say then say you were feeling ill and ask to be accused as you were not in the right mental / physical state to give straight honest answers and if you are truly ill then you are not lying in the slightest.

      I don’t know the ins and outs of your case and I don’t know whether you are being accused rightly or wrongly but make sure you don’t use the duty solicitor and have a plan of action for all scenarios.

  13. Sam says

    i was charged by gf for hitting her but i never did and the police let me go with a warning cos they had no evidence but they did not give me anything in writing.

    as i was arrested and let go by police of no evidence but my finger prints etc. were taken what are the risks involved if i meet her again

    she is asking me to get back with her and apologising for what she did, so if i go back with her what are the risks i am taking , my worry is if she calls the cops when i am at her flat will i get into big serious trouble as one cop told me not to contact her or text her verbally

    please let me know

  14. macus says

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    • darkpolitricks says

      Maybe he should have done a no comment interview, especially if it’s only one persons word against another with no corresponding evidence to back up the events or witnesses.

      Again I don’t know the details of what happened so I cannot really comment

  15. Maggie says

    Hi there I just want to know what I need to do, I’m being accused of theft from my job I haven’t been arrested or charged yet but I have been speaking to a work colleague who gave me details of the interview and he was asking her questions that made me look guilty. What do I need to do if I am arrested and charged? I arrived home with a card to call – a police detective came to my home now I’m getting scared. I didn’t do it do I just stay silent I’m from Australia by the way

    • darkpolitricks says

      Hi,

      I don’t know actually know much about Australian law as the “no comment interview” is based around UK law. However if Australian law is based on UK law you might find there are similarities and I suggest checking up to see if doing a “no comment interview” is something Australian law allows.

      Obviously no-one can make you say anything if you don’t want to so even if there is no protection you could just stay silent and then come up with a reasonable explaination afterwards if asked in court e.g I wasn’t feeling well, the cops were obviously tricking me or telling falsehoods, I stayed silent due to a sore throat or on the advice of my solictor.

      If you have not done the crime then you “should have nothing” to worry about. You must remember that in the eyes of the police at least someone doing a no comment interview is a seasoned crook who is just playing the game of cops n robbers. Therefore doing a no comment might give the impression of you being guilty when you are not.

      You will only get all the evidence against you if you are charged and have to go to court so if there is anyway you can find out what evidence they are basing their allegations on that would be the first step. If they have no CCTV of you stealing anything and just the word of one person against another then that is not enough proof to convict someone beyond reasonable doubt.

      Whatever you do don’t just do a no comment interview because you have read this article. Do some fact checking first. Research Aussie law on the web first and if you are not getting answers go to a solicitor and ask them what your options are. I am sure you would have an equivalent but your best defence is knowledge of how the police system in your country works so do your studying.

  16. http://tinyurl.com/amereagle34705 says

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  17. Roland Martin says

    With regards to NO COMMENT interviews. This still allows the prosecution to put forward all the questions that you refused to answer. And as such they can put forward an undisputed version of the case against you. As previously stated you should remain silent. If you do not want to be interviewed just say so and remain in the cell and don’t go anywhere near the intervierw room. If you do end up in the interview room by some devious means. All you have to say is ” This is a serious allegation that you are accusing me of, I am aware that I have been cautioned and I do not want to discuss it with you, I now wish to remain silent until you either charge me or release me” You then MUST remain silent throughout ALL questions put to you. The police can write down what they say but unless you reply at ANY stage they cannot put the contents of the interview before the court. A word of warning is that if at any stage you make a comment including being asked whether its any point in continuing with the interview THEN all the previous questions that you have ignored can then be put before the court. If you follow this advice then all the prosecution will say to the court if that the defendant (you) refused to be interviewed. They then have to rely on their own information and not your words twisted to make you look bad. As previously stated the only reason for an interview is to help the police prosecute you.

    • darkpolitricks says

      Good advice Roland!

      This is getting to be a well read article with lots of good comments from all perspectives including ex/current policemen, ex criminals, victims of crime, people wrongly accused and people just wanting to know how the system works.

      Remember if you answer questions during an interview you are basically doing the polices work for them.

      If they had enough evidence to charge you they would do so.

      Even then it is up to the CPS (UK) or DA (in the US I am presuming here being a Brit) to then make a decision about whether or not there is enough evidence to proceed with to trial.

      If you have not incriminated yourself or others by being interviewed this lowers the chance of a case proceeding to court.

      Even if you do get to court having done a no comment/silent interview will allow you to put forward your reasons why and give your side of the story to the magistrate or judge & jury.

      The more you know about the hoops the authorities have to jump through to get a case to court the better.

      Court case can be very expensive which is why they will only usually proceed with those that they have calculated they have a good chance of getting a guilty conviction with. Admitting to a crime at the first stage of this process (in interview) is going to increase that calculation to near enough 100%. That is unless someone else admits they did it instead of you (not very likely!).

  18. jim says

    I was told I was being detained acussed of a road traffic enquiry then told I was being interviewed about possing as a police officer by the persons involved in the other car they have made statements saying that i flashed a police badge at them to make them pull over I am at my witsend with these lies and spent 6 and a half hours in a cell still dont know what is happening edinburgh police stink.

  19. AreaCode310 says

    I am glad that I read this a long time ago.
    Thanks. This very worked well for me, I was taken in for something I never did. I was at the wrong place at the wrong time, the police lied to me that I did other crimes I never did expecting me to talk.
    They thought I did the crime but really I had no idea what happen.
    Police lied to me as well, trying to make me confess to things I did not do.
    I simply meditated to be strong mental, to be very calm and it worked.
    _/\_

    • darkpolitricks says

      I am happy that this worked for you.

      Remember saying anything in an interview room where it can be recorded and used in court means you are doing the Polices job for them. Let them find the evidence
      and present it to the CPS.

      If the CPS think the police has FXXK ALL then they won’t proceed – wasting tax payers money bringing a trial to court that is likely to lose.

  20. Stephen John Hawkes says

    Loved your website. Wish id have seen it 3 years ago when i was arrested for ‘harassing’ my estranged wife. She had left me after 24 years for someone else. I was heartbroken and devasted. My 3 children stayed with me and supported me. After a year I still hadn’t got over it. I had been texting and writing to her and one morning I went to talk to her as she walked to work and asked her to come home. She went to the police and said I’d been harassing her and I was arrested.

    Just as your article states the police preyed on my naivity. I didnt actually think I’d done anything wrong so I turned down the offer to see a solicitor (I now think that in the deeply distressed state I was in it should have been mandatory that i saw a solicitor). I was like a lamb to the slaughter. The young WPC (probably not many years difference in her age to the number of years I’d been married) easilly tricked me into saying something that she said was an admission though even thats debatable. I was charged.

    At court the solicitor representing me said to me “its a very sad case. Its not really harassment it was just your pathetic attempts to win your wife back but unfortunately you made an admission so you’ve got to plead guilty”(if he didnt really think it was harassment why say I had to plead guilty to harassment?). So I did as he said even though it didnt feel right when I said “guilty”.

    I received a £85 costs order and a 2 year conditional discharge. But much worse a criminal record for ‘harassment’ because I hadnt been able to get over my adulterous wife leaving me. Many people have told me including various other lawyers that I was poorly represented at court and I shouldnt have been told I to plead guilty.

  21. Stephen John Hawkes says

    Further to what I wrote this morning. My story is proof of how trying to be honest and assist the police just got me a nasty little (unjust in my opinion) criminal record. I think that the fact that i refused the chance to see a solicitor was just proof of my innocence. At the end of the day all I’d been doing was trying to contact my wife of nearly quarter of a century, make her see sense and return home to me and the children. Thats not a real criminal offence for Gods sake but the twisted police and CPS said it was. But I know that not all the police thought I’d committed a crime either. I saw two of them look down at the floor in sadness when I was charged.

    But what have they achieved? Nothing. My wife didn’t need a restraining order. She telephoned me shortly after and I just put the phone down. She shouldn’t have phoned me. I have vowed never to utter another word to her as long as I live. Which is a bit sad considering we recently got our first grandchild. The police and CPS have just driven a wedge through what was once a very close and loving family. I didnt need punishment when I was arrested I needed help. Its shown me how flawed the justice system can be. And they might think they’ve finished with me but I havent finished with them.

    It cost me £85 but I think it might cost them a lot more when I refer my case to the Criminal Cases Revue Commission. Ok so I might not win (get my conviction quashed) but it will cost them a lot more than £85 to fight my case.

    If I’d have said “no comment” none of this mess would have happened as I’m sure the case against me would have been dropped. Which it should have been anyway.

    • darkpolitricks says

      Mate, I feel for you.
      When I was younger I didn’t realise the way the system worked and only looking back now can I see the times when I was interviewed and convicted and those when I was not and revieved NFA’s or let off. Everyone should learn how the system works as no-one knows what could happen to them in the future.

  22. Noob ski says

    I’ve said no to a solicitor both times but by the sounds of it I need to get one a.s.a.p any thoughts are greatly appreciated

    P.s the officer is saying he wants a nfa but I don’t believe him I think he’s going for nice cop but really turns around and stabs you in the back

  23. Noobski says

    The police are coming to my house this weekend to do a 2nd interview on a allegation against me. The 1st interview I basically said not guilty to all allegations. Are they conducting this 2nd interview because they have no evidence? it’s a case if no witnesses and its my word against someone else’s

    I’ve said no to a solicitor both times but by the sounds of it I need to get one a.s.a.p any thoughts are greatly appreciated

    P.s the officer is saying he wants a nfa but I don’t believe him I think he’s going for nice cop but really turns around and stabs you in the back

    • darkpolitricks says

      Remember cops will lie and tell you anything you get you to speak in the interview room and on tape. I know as I have been on the end of it.

      Therefore any Mr nice guy act could be just to get you to talk.

      I would always get a solicitor – never the Duty Brief and discuss a no comment interview. However if you have already talked in the first interview you might have ruined the chances of doing it in subsequent interviews.

      If they are interviewing you the 2nd time then it means either
      -a) the other person has changed his story.
      -b) they have new evidence they want to ask you about.
      -c) they have no evidence at all and want you to confess.

      Personally I have been locked up all weekend after a fight in which the other person was left with 21 stitches on his face. He attacked me and I had a pint glass in my hand and just instictively swung it at his face when I saw him running at me with a punch.

      I actually was interviewed 3 times over the weekend and kept to the real story e.g that the person had bumped into me, called me a C**T and then said he was going “to get me” before walking off and then coming back and attacking me.

      The other person said in his first interview I just went up to him and glassed him for no reason at all.
      In his 2nd interview he changed his story and said he had an argument with me first but I started on him.
      In his 3rd interview he finally admitted he was coming for me and I swung the glass in self defence.

      The police believed me as I had stuck to the same story whilst he had constantly changed his and they let me go without charge.

      It was only the fact that I told the truth in all my interviews and stuck to my story PLUS a friend who was also detained with me said the same exact story that got me out of the nick and away from a section 18 charge i.e GBH with intent – max life imprisonment.

      I could have gone no comment and let a jury decide but as I knew I had done nothing wrong I decided to tell the truth. It was a risk but I knew I was in the right.

      It is up to you what you do and how you handle it but in cases of a persons word against anothers with no other evidence it is hard to convict and the jury will probably just go on which person is more likeable and presentable in court, ignoring all other facts (as there are none – just two perspectives on what happened).

      I suggest getting a solictitor quickly and discussing it with him – remember I am not a lawyer – just someone with experience of how the cops can lie and treat people in the interview room. Always remember the Guildford 4 and the Birmingham 6!

  24. Dennis R Perrin says

    The Guildford Four and Birmingham Six are extreme examples of false convictions. I like the useful advice from Dark Politricks, for how to behave upon being arrested, which is not generally known. Most people most of the time want to feel protected from burglary, violence, and fraud etc. So we do need police, who are not enemies and who also have a difficult job to do.

    • darkpolitricks says

      They may be extreme examples but how many other people are in prison for crimes they didn’t commit that we don’t know about.

      You just need to look at the USA and how many people are on death row that are eventually proved innocent (sometimes after being murdered by the state). Plus plea bargaining in the US means people are more likely to take a shorter term in jail even if they are innocent because they are scared of the life sentence (real life sentence) being threatened to them.

      I know a lot of cons inside claim to be innocent but I know for a fact – from personal experience that bent cops exist, they abuse the system and peoples lives have been ruined by their actions (including my own).

      I know prostitutes who are threatened into having free sex with cops so they don’t get nicked and I know cops who buy and sell drugs. I also know cops who have stolen drugs from raids to give to their informants to sell on to school kids just so that those grasses can grass on people up the chain – they get away with scot free.

      Just don’t assume that because the papers are not full of people being released from prison on false charges that a percentage of inmates inside are not innocent due to bent cops.

  25. bobby baker says

    I am 16 yrs, I was recently arrested for shop lifting $2 breth mints, caught by an undercover supermarket cop, and now have to go for interview and sign caution papers! I’m freaking out and dont know if they have enough evidence against me. should my mum have to sign the caution papers? which would lead to my name in the system for 7 yrs. do i have to answer and confess or anything. is it even fair?

    • darkpolitricks says

      If your going for a caution then that is the “conviction” so to speak. You are not going to court you are just being given what is basically a telling off by the police chief at your local cop shop.

      I have had 4 cautions in my life – whether they stay on file I am not sure. I have heard that they get wiped at 18 OR they are not treated in the same way as convictions. However I do know that even having a caution for smoking weed can prevent you from ever going to the USA so I would look into it.

      Also if you are over 16 you shouldn’t need an adult with you. I think in the UK you only need an appropriate adult in interviews if you are under 14. I certainly have had a few cautions when I was younger on my own.

      I would think the majority of the UK population has some kind of criminal record or caution – I even know Police men who have had cautions when they were younger so don’t freak out about it too much. It’s just a stern talking to by a senior cop – a lot better than going to court.

      Plus they wouldn’t be giving you the caution if they didn’t already have the evidence against you so a no comment interview is not even required. They have you probably on CCTV stealing the mints and with the word of the cop who got you which is enough for them to proceed with a caution.

  26. rokas says

    darkpolitricks do you have an email adress i could email you on? pls if you have could you inbox me , or post it on here? Thank You

  27. Radiator says

    I’ve been told today I am being arrested by appointment. I can’t remember what for as I was in shock but its either assault or Gbh. Long story short, 3 guys and 1 girl Insulted and intimidated me my female cousin and her friend while we was walking home and they was videoing it. I asked them to stop and we kept walking. They followed us more, still videoing and laughing and Intimidating us. I turned around and said leave us alone we are going home. Luckily two guys i know were driving pass and stopped and asked me if i was ok. i said no im not. The guy with the video then started insulting us so I told him to stop videoing and I pushed his phone away from me. To which he threw a punch at me, missed and then grabbed my cousins hair and dragged her to the curb. I told him to let her go and he ignored it, he then struck her on the top of her head so I used reasonable force and palm striked him to the face as I was in fear of her safety as she couldn’t defend herself. He immediately grabbed my hair and pulled me down to the ground cutting my knees and elbows. I used one hand to cover my head from blows from other people and my other hand to punch him off me until he let go. I connected about 2-3 times before he let go and stopped fighting at which point I quickly got back on my feet and walked away quickly to avoid danger as I was in fear for my safety. We all left the scene of the incident and got home safe with a few cuts and bruises. I had no option but to use self defence and reasonable force to eliminate the risk of serious injury from this guy. My question is… Can I not put this in a statement even though its the truth?

    • darkpolitics says

      Well you can but you run the risk of the people with the video showing a different side of a story.

      Our minds play tricks on events after the events and I know from previous events that what I thought had happened 100% was proved wrong. Drink n drugs or just a heavy rush of adrenaline can effect your perspective and in tale of two stories, perspective is key. You need the police to believe your story and if you cannot be sure they will then you may play into thei hands. Remember two people will always see an event differently.

      Now I don’t want to rattle through a misspent youth OR go against everything I have said previously, BUT on one occassion in my life telling the truth to the police has been by saviour and you can see that in the comment I wrote to the person a couple above this about the glassing incident and the Section 18. Telling the truth got me out of that sticky spot whereas I could have gone “no comment”, been remanded, lost my College place as it could have taken anywhere up to a year to go to Crown and then possibly NOT got off at court. It was a risk but one I took as I knew I didn’t attack someone for no reason – I’m not like that – plus the other person kept lying in his interviews.

      Now I know that goes against the premise of this article but you have to decide for yourself whats in your best interest.

      Now I am no solicitor but you must weigh up the following:

      -Are you remembering the events of that night correctly. I know Tae-KwondDo and Karate so I know an open palmed strike can cause serious damage if done properly. How hard did you hit him and was it a natural reflex?
      -Did you do the minimum necessary to defend yourself and your friends or may you have used some martial arts skill to inflict extra punishment?
      -What do these people have on their camera phones? You said they were filming you so no doubt the police may have seen these videos before coming for you. I am not sure whether video evidence on it’s own can be used to convict but ask a lawyer and make sure you don’t admit to something just because the cops say “we’ve seen the video” etc.
      -Your girl witnesses, can they not make a counter claim of assault on your behalf? If you were defending them then their statements could be your saviour. The assailants may even drop their charges if they have counter assault claims on them.
      -Also police tend to believe female witness statements more than men when it comes to assault. So ensure these girls make statements on your behalf ASAP if you are charged or bailed.

      I remember one fight my friend had with a drunk bloke who had started on him. The bloke was with 2 girls. My mate was with me and 3 other mates.

      As the bloke wanted to fight and my mate was always happy to oblige, we all sat back and said go ahead – fair fight – as we call it here.

      Now the only time I stepped in was when this bloke had punched my friend to the floor and went to kick him in the head. I don’t like that and I walloped the bloke. However after the fight my mate was nicked by the cops outside my house and he ended up in Crown Court.

      I even made a witness statement (that I have to this day) and said I would be a court witness to say that the other party had started the fight and that I had to step in due to him trying to severley injure my friend as he lay on the floor.

      My mate, due to the witness statements of the two girls who basically lied their asses off for their friend, went guilty and did 2 years in prison! He was advised by his brief that the statements by the girls would take him down even if I did appear on his behalf. Not fair at all – and that is the key, justice isn’t always right and the right person doesn’t always go to prison.

      It’s totally up to you what you decide to do but I would think very carefully about the events of the night. Just the fact you said you used an open palm strike tells me you can look after yourself and I have to wonder how much damage was done to the other parties. If they were just a couple of local hoodie twats then I doubt they would have gone to the old bill for losing a fight. If they are the scum they sound they are then they probably start and get into fights all the time. If that’s true then you have to wonder why they have bubbled you up.

      The damage done to the “victims”, any video tapes or CCTV, the credibility of the statements, the character of the people involved, past crimes, any bias by the police, age of the people involved and many other factors will come into play here.

      You know I cannot advise you what to do and you should speak to a brief ASAP before going to the station for your interview. At least if you do a “no comment” you can say it was on the advice of your solicitor.

  28. Drunk and Disorderly says

    Hi, last weekend I was arrested for “assault on a police officer & drunk and disorderly”. 8 police officers restrained me and roughed me up, I have numerous cuts and bruises. After a few hours in the cell, I was released with a £80 fine for D&D but no charges for the assault. Could I conted this and say that the number of officers and force used to make the arrest was totally out of hand, considering that it was just for something as simple as D&D? The reason I was arrested was because I refused to move from a public pathway because I was “annoying” the police. I’m guessing that because there are going to be so many cops against me, then there’s not much point fighting it but I thought that I would at least ask.

    • darkpolitics says

      Well your right, who do you think the magistrate is going to believe? The word of 8, honest, law abiding, never done a damn thing wrong in their lives, cops or a “drunken”, disorderly criminal like yourself!!! LOL

      I would just take the fine and be happy that your not up on an assault charge against the police. If you were you could be looking at jail time not just a fine.

      You could make a complaint but then the cops could always make a complaint against you. I personally would be happy as larry that I got off on a DnD. It reminds me of the time (yes another story from my mis-spent youth) that the police started battering a young girl with truncheons we were walking home from a club with for having carried a bottle of beer out the club. They were using excessive force so of course, me as a drunken hero waded in to stop them. This only caused a massive (and I mean massive) fight between 12 of us and shit loads of police. The cops basically blocked both ends of the high street with cars and meat wagons so we had no-where to run and we were fighting them in the middle.

      The police were brutal and on nicking us they would bend you over the car and grab your balls between your legs and squeeze them as hard as possible, as well as the nipples and hair under arms. All things I guess they are “taught” to cause harm but without producing evidence of assault. No-one wants to call out the duty doctor to complain of sore nipples or painful nads do they.

      Anyway in the morning we were all let go with a caution for D & D. Not even a charge or bail. The cops obviously knew they had been excessive in their force and we most certainly were pleased just to have spent a night in the cells and let go in the morning. An assault on police charge can be as serious as they want it to be. It can either be dropped or it can be made into a “vicious attack on the unsuspecting officer who was just trying to do his job protecting the citizens from a horrible violent yob” if they want.

      Take the fine and be happy. I would.

  29. Kate says

    I was involved in an incident recently – a man was blocking me in from a car park and refused to move his car, despite me asking him several times. He was sat in a cafe just next to the car park and flatly refused to move his vehicle. A very brief argument ensued and I knocked his cup of tea over with my hand. It went all over his newspaper and some of it ended up on his shirt, chest etc… He is pressing charges for assault and I am being interviewed by the police about it tomorrow. Is it best to ‘No Comment’, or to tell the truth, that he provoked me and I knocked his hot drink over in the heat of the moment without premeditation?! So trivial, but don’t want to end up with a criminal record over a cup of tea! Thank you for any advice.

    • darkpolitics says

      Well if no other witnesses saw the event it is your word v his, in cases like this unless you admit to your “crime” in interview the case is unlikely to proceed to court as there is very little chance of it suceeding in a prosecution.
      If you know there are no witnesses. You can either do a no comment or just say he was lying and making it up. Unless other evidence comes to light I doubt you will go to court and even if you do its a minor!

  30. Miley says

    I read this and laughed my ass off! A no comment interview is asking for trouble, please search and inform yourself of ‘special warnings’ and ‘drawing a negative inference’ this whole article is bullshit

    • darkpolitics says

      You are free to laugh your ass off as much as you want but then you are dismissing the whole process of how a crime goes from the initial act to arrest to police bail to charge and then to court.

      If the police didn’t need an interview they wouldn’t give you one.

      Jurors/magistrates may make a negative inference from your decision not to comment in interview BUT it is your right to do so (In the UK anyway).

      If you feel that you can tell the police the whole event and not implicate yourself or others, or create new evidence for them to investigate then feel free. However I’m glad I’ve had multiple NFA’s through the post due to my decision to do a “no comment” interview, and from the numerous police men who have read or commented on this article it seems that the interview is a key stage in the whole process.

      By giving a “no comment” you are not providing the police with an admission of guilt and NOT doing their work for them. If you were actually guilty of a crime then saying one thing in interview and then another at court looks worse in the eyes of everyone than someone saying nothing in interview on the advice of their brief and then giving their account in court.

      I just hope the police never kick your front door down at 6am in the morning, arrest, and accusse you of a crime you never committed but could get you 10+ years in prison.

      Just because you “think” you can explain the situation to the police does not neccessarily mean that you will, OR that the police won’t just see your statements as lies, having already made their minds up about your guilt.

      As I say, I am not a lawyer so do your own research BUT I don’t want to go to prison due to the wording of an interview taken out of context by a clever lawyer.

  31. Sarah says

    I love this website and the advice given, I’m in a very nasty situation at present. I’m a 23 year old female. After leaving a very bitter ex partner 4 months ago I had detectives turn up heavy handed at my address 2 weeks ago early in the morning, whilst standing in my pyjamas in front of my family I was arrested by a complete bully of an officer for “attempting to pervert the course of justice” my ex has made a malicious claim about me, the offence I am alleged to have committed took place 16 weeks prior to my arrest. I am an honest person I have worked All my life, I can’t currently go to work whilst I have criminal proceedings against myself. At the police station I took badly ill (I suffer severe mental health problems) I was sectioned and have only just been released from hospital after 2 weeks as the stress caused a massive relapse in mental health. All evidence against me is purely word of mouth and circumstantial, however I am petrified as the offence is very serious being indictable only. I am bailed until next month and am living a life of hell due to a malicious claim by my ex and a witch hunt by the police

    • darkpolitics says

      Sounds like hell, thoughts go out to you. Being sectioned isn’t nice! 😉

      If it’s your word against his then it might not go to court as the CPS might think they don’t have enough evidence and they don’t like wasting money on cases where it is one persons word against another’s – this is one reason our rape conviction rate is so low!

      So it all depends on what you said or didn’t say in interview.

      Hope everything goes well with you!

  32. Robert says

    Hi,
    In July I was arrested at my home. I was driven 180 miles to a police station – where – on the advice of my brief – I gave a FIRST-EVER ‘No comment ‘ interview. I was bailed to appear there again today. But, last Friday, I had a letter from the arresting officer telling me to come back in November instead.

    Doe’s this mean they have little or no evidence to charge me?

    Thank-you.

    • darkpolitics says

      Hi Robert
      It looks that way. In that time gap if they had found enough evidence then when you were supposed to return for your police bail in September they would have charged you.

      However because they didn’t NFA you it looks like they are still looking into something.

      However if they haven’t found it yet then I guess they are either trying to pressure a witness, following a line of inquiry or trying to get enough evidence to charge you in November – your brief did the right thing and just proves that you CAN give a no comment interview AND that breifs DO advice doing them to help their clients.

      Cross your fingers for that NFA!

      • Robert says

        It arrived today. Your right – It feels like winning the lottery!

        I got my life back in order.

        Those cops really are bar-stewards!

        Thanks for your help mate.

        • darkpolitics says

          Sweet. I bet your happy as larry now.

          One happy customer – take heed naysayers – no comment is your friend!

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  34. darkpolitics says

    Can anybody who has read the details on this page from both me (top section) and the Anarchists site (bottom half) let me know if:

    a) they have used a no comment interview and got an NFA
    b) found the info helpful when being arrested
    c) found doing a “no comment” in an English Cop Shop has got them in MORE trouble at court and told by a brief that they should have done a comment interview instead.

    Any answers would be helpful to any who have read this.

    Also unless you have actually been arrested, or never given a no comment, there is no point replying.

    You cannot learn about being a drug addict from a book, you might think you do but addicts will tell you only another addict truly understands and it’s true. You learn theory not practise e.g pain, illness and emptyness.

    The same goes for being banged up in a cell with just a blue plastic mattress for days, beaten up by cops and spending time in lockup. Unless you have had that experience it is hard to understand why you wouldn’t want to help those “nice men in blue”, who are “only doing their jobs”.

    Any comments would be good.

  35. Nick says

    I was arrested a couple of weeks ago for theft, fraud and something else and bailed till November. It’s all work related.
    I hadn’t read this sight so when interviewed I did speak. I have not committed the offence I’m being charged with although I have made a number of errors in my recordings.
    I’m not a thief but constantly worrying that the police will return before my bail date and also worried that when I return I will be charged. Just wondering what to do as this is the first time I’ve ever been in this situation and worried. It’s not helping with my mental health issues either and the anxieties I’m currently suffering I’m constantly on edge thinking the worst

    • darkpolitics says

      Well if you are charged and go to court you can get your GP (make sure you see them ASAP) and others to give mitigating circumstances e.g mental health issues, depression. But get proper proof first.
      As for what the police will do, if you can argue it was just a mistake and that they cannot find a link with the money and your bank accounts or purchases etc then they may believe you. If you can make out you were ditsy due to stress etc then mistakes happen in any job. The problem with finance / accounting is if you make a mistake unless you can justify it the owner might think the worst.

      Best of luck to you

  36. moontune says

    when arrested does having No Fixed Abode/homeless affect your chances of bail and anything else !

    • darkpolitics says

      Yes having no fixed abode might make it harder to get police bail and definitley if you go to magistrates for remand. Always have an address you can put down, a mates house, even your old families house, they won’t check. They just don’t want to hear you say NFA as it means clink clink see ya! So have somewhere you can say your home is even if you slept in your car like I did for a year!

      • darkpolitics says

        Well I am sure you could but I am not sure on the legality of the wording (I am certainly no lawyer) is embellishing a no-comment interview, with extra wording eg “listen pig, no FXXXKING comment” a deviation from the UK law or not.

        It may be saying F-ALL in different terms, but it might be a deviation – would have to check. I do know I have been in a box for over an hour and only opened my mouth once to say no comment. I said it at the beginning “I will be giving a no comment interview” and then sat in silence as they rattled through their sheet for an hour. What happened? NFA!

  37. Moontune says

    Dont you think it would be ok to to embellish the ‘no comment ‘ occaisionally with for instance “certainly no comment !” or “that will have to be a no comment” even if only to relieve the boredom and stress ?

  38. Moontune says

    Good for robert. and best of luck to nick.
    _very interesting about all this.
    And certainly crumbs of comfort to anyone of us in these circumstances.also the personal experience and responses mentioned are helpful too. Well good.

  39. maps says

    A concerned colleague got a call from the cid/cops asking them to get in touch. They did not respond but think its to do with an item they sold to one of those high street cashconverter shops.
    they are concerned it may have come from a dodgy source and so may have difficulty explaining it. They dont know exactly what to do,to reply or hope it will fade away!

    • darkpolitics says

      Hi, so your mate is scared of being done for selling stolen items.

      It is actually the shops duty to check items to make sure they are not stolen but so is it your mates to ensure they don’t buy or sell stolen goods.

      However if you are passed a fake score in the street and go an spend it. Even though its bent cash you didn’t know. Its an honest mistake. The shop/cops may say well we need to take it as evidence and you lose out on £20 but unless you knew the note was dodgy when buying goods you are unlikely to be prosecuted (or if you are, it’s coz the police hate your guts).

      So if your mate can say he had no knowledge at all, that the item was stolen, and was sold it in good faith before selling it on. Then they have to prove your friend DID indeed KNOWINGLY buy stolen goods and then sell them on knowing he was committing an offence.

      If they cannot prove it, they have no case. A bit like when you drive off from a petrol garage without paying, I remember people used to do it all the time and they could never nick you just ring you up and say you forgot to pay, now pay or else we will do you for theft (as it could always be an honest mistake, like those celebrities who accidentally shoplift without realising!)

      If your mate tells the cops in interview he “thought” it was from a dodgy source and sold it on knowing that then he is basically admitting he sold stolen goods. He has done the cops work for them.

      The Desk Sergent will go “Charged”, the CPS will see it as a 100% penality kick and your mate is off to the magistrate to plead guilty as that’s all you can do by then to get a comminity order or fine/probation.

      So either stay quiet in interview – do a “no comment” and let the police do their job. OR risk trying to convince the cops it was an honest mistake and maybe put your foot in it, accidentally say something that makes your story seem unbelievable or put you or someone else right in the shit due to nerves.

      The choice is your mates but as I am not a laywer I would ask one for their advice.

      One time a friend of mine paid for petrol in my car at a garage with a stolen chequebook. My plates were caught on camera and later that night I got nicked.

      I said I was in the pub, met this bloke (my friend – I didn’t let on) and he said if I drove him home he would pay for my petrol. Therefore as I was in the car at the pump I had no idea how he paid for it and what he paid the petrol with. They didn’t even charge me as they couldn’t prove I knew my petrol was being paid with by a stolen chequebook.

      Just think about what you are going to say.

      Admitting you “think” it came from a dodgy source will only have the cops say “well why didn’t you do your duty as a fine upstanding member of the community and hand it into the local copshop and bubble your mate up”.

      What is the answer = “coz I wanted to sell it for money?” mmmm, yes, I can see that going down well.

      Anyway good luck

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  41. Costello says

    Hi new here never been interviewed by police.
    Short facts
    Last week a local policewoman PC in Lancashire called me and said my ex girlfriend has charged me with Domestic Violence charges for punching her and breaking her nose,some 9 years ago, back in 2005. I was Shocked.
    This never happened from me, her jealous husband came to our flat one evening and punched her,then fled in the nearby park.
    Tried to catch him but he was faster.
    There were few witnesses 2 of them tried to help me me chasing him but no witness inside the flat.
    She drove to hospital for nose treatment, etc,and she wanted me to keep incident secret from anyone being afraid not to be expelled from the UK
    Anyway her eyes were bruised,when anyone asked her who did it she said my boyfriend
    Everyone has forgotten that incident we separated 1 1/2 years later(2006)remained in very good friends,we meet each other many times since with no problems.A few weeks ago she rung/texts me asking if i was ok with cash to lend her for a nose reduction operation.I didn t say yes,said i will try my best without any promise,possibly in the summer if better with cash.
    She presented this to police as an admission i was guilty for hitting her and accepted to pay for her nose repairs.Isn t this manipulation?What do you think i should do with the interview?Many thanks for your advice

    • darkpolitics says

      Well as I keep saying I am not a lawyer so the first thing I would do is go and see one and see if you can get legal aid. You may even get an opinion on whether to do a no comment without having to pay for it. Just don’t rely on the Duty Solicitor at the cop shop as you can never trust them.

      Your case is the exact reason I wrote my last two pieces on Clare’s Law which is being brought in > http://www.darkpolitricks.com/2013/12/hopefully-answer-uk-home-secretary-unfair-clares-law

      This new law would mean any future partner of yours could be told about this offence EVEN if your not convicted or charged.

      It totally spins the law on it’s head and splits it in two – one for men and one for women as women will be able to find out about previous violent offences of a man but a man wouldn’t be able to do the same – 2 legal systems and it overturns the Re-Habilitation of Offenders Act when crimes are supposed to be spent.

      I suggest reading the article and writing to your MP as well like I did, the more people the better. Cases like yours show how future relationships could be ruined on the say so of a jealous or vindictive ex partner EVEN if your not charged as it will be on a police file somewhere and they could use it if they wanted to – UNFAIR!

      Personally I would do a no comment as its your word versus hers.

      They would need to prove you hit her. If you gave an interview you might say something to suggest it or accidentally infer something that they could use against you in court. Let them do their job and let your ex know she will be risking jail by lying to get back at you.

      Any evidence could come from the hospital she went to but if you were with her at the time and she wasn’t scared or frightened by you being her then they probably can’t remember the event anyway and a good brief would argue that, especially when it was years ago.

      Plus you can defend your decisions and hopefully find those witnesses who helped you chase the ex away that night.

      When it’s one persons word against another a no comment is one of the best things to do.

      What the evidence they have is would only come to light after being charged and then the CPS deciding to go to court. Your brief will get it all so that you can defend yourself properly and maybe if it went that far your ex might shit her pants – especially if you remind her that Perverting the Course of justice can lead to LIFE imprisonment (max sentence) I know I was up on it once – and also remind her that she will be perjuring herself (another hefty max sentence) by lying on the stand.

      You never know she might change her mind and drop all charges. Send some letters or print outs about Perjury and Perverting the Course of Justice and highlight the sentences to her house (anonymously obviously) if you cannot talk to her – she might get the hint.

      Wish you the best of luck but get some advice if possible from a proper brief.

      • ml says

        The problem is that he has already admitted to ‘knowing’ that she was in the country illegally.

        regards..m

        some legal training.

  42. tom says

    I found your webpage after searching “no comment” interviews. I wish I had read this a while ago as I was completely unprepared for my current situation. I’m currently on police bail till January the 8th, 3:00pm. I had a “voluntary” interview with the police a couple of weeks ago about an incident involving my Mothers ex partners house. Someone had tried to set the house alight by stuffing newspaper through the front door. I was called the following night by a DS who said they could send somebody round to arrest me or I could go in the next day for a “voluntary” interview. This I did by calling a solicitor to meet me at the police station the following day, while waiting for the solicitor a man came from beyond reception, said my name and asked me to step through a door and immediately cautioned me that I was under arrest. I went through the whole process and had my possessions taking away, ie phone, loose change. I was put in a cell and told my solicitor would be here shortly. After chatting to my solicitor, I was advised to say “no comment” to all questions. He told me to only state my name and DOB. This I did. I had my fingerprints taken and put back in a cell. After getting my belongings back, I was told my phone had been confiscated and that because it was an on going investigation I couldn’t have it back till the investigation was over. At no point was I told why I had been asked to have a “voluntary” interview. My bail tells me to stay away from the ex partner and his house. I have not been charged with anything. I haven’t been told what evidence they have on me ? I’m sitting tight but such a thing weighs on your mind heavily. Your advice has been a great comfort to me.

    • darkpolitics says

      Just be glad the cops didn’t take your keys out your belongings and then go into your house without a warrant as they did with me and scare the shit out of my sister who came out the shower to find 2 CID walking around the place. My old man went ballastic over that incident.

      Just know that if they haven’t charged you they are still looking for evidence. Even if they do charge you the CPS has to agree it’s worth the expense AND they have a reasonable chance of getting a conviction in court for it to proceed.

      Once you know the hoops they have to jump through and why they interview you in the first place it can be a lot more easier to handle.

      Hope your ok in the end!

      • Tom says

        Hey I’ve been contacted by the police saying they want the passcode to my iphone. My bail (without charge) date to return to the station was next Wednesday (8th Jan). I’ve said I’d have to consult my solicitor, they then said they’d serve a notice on me (section 49 RIPA) if I did not comply. I said I’d doubt I’d be able to get any advice at 16:30pm on a Saturday night, but I’d contact my solicitor first thing Monday morning. It seems like a desperate attempt to help them with their case against me and actually made me think they’re clutching at straws. They knew full well I wouldn’t be able to get advice at that time and threatened me with the notice hoping I’d take the bait. They have to give me time to comply, I’ve researched it thoroughly. I know its the law and I’ll have to give it. Problem is I may have forgot my passcode. Oops. I’ve been re-bailed till February 6th. I’m just pissed off about not having my phone tbh. Should I be this positive ?

      • Tom says

        I got a phone call on Tuesday 28th January saying they’re was “insufficient evidence” to proceed. No doubt giving a no comment interview and “forgetting” the pin to my iPhone helped. Just waiting for my NFA letter to make it official. I may even frame the letter and hang on the wall……………….

        • darkpolitics says

          Good news then! Send me a photo of your NFA if you do get a letter. I’d like to get one up on the site.

          • Tom says

            Will do.

          • darkpolitics says

            Sweet, would like to get a picture of one for the article. Moved too much to keep my own lawyer and cop letters from over a decade ago.

    • ml says

      you should really not have attended a ‘voluntary’ interview’ without advice.

      regards..

      m.

  43. Jem B says

    Hi

    So glad i came across your site.Sounds like you have been through a lot darkpolitics.

    Basically about 5 weeks ago I was in a bar, my first night out since having my little girl 6months ago, when a local girl i know started talking about me loudly. When i asked her what her problem was, she laughed called me a dumb bitch and told me she had slept with my boyfriend while i was pregnant. I had drank quite a bit so i dont remember who went for who first but we ended up in a fight. I completely forgot about it until yesterday when i received a note through my door asking me to call the station.
    When i called they asked me to go in for a interview next week as someone had made a claim of assault and they would have me in and out in 45 minutes.
    If they are interviewing me is this because they have no evidence? what about the bar cctv? I dont have any previous and im worried i wont get out to collect my daughter from nursery.
    Should i do the no comment interview? any reply would be appreciated

    • ml says

      Absolutely not, without taking legal advice first…after all if you were innocent why would you agree to a police station?

      regards

      m.

    • darkpolitics says

      Also, just so you know a recent case I was involved in – with a Bouncer – a fight in a club where he basically throat jacked me (I think I might have mentioned this) for no reason and bashed my head against two walls as I put my hands out wide to show I wasn’t going to hit him – didn’t mean jack. The CCTV in the club was of such poor quality it didn’t show anything and it certainly wouldn’t prove who said what to who first or second. OR what happened OFF screen.
      Unless the police do a 6 o’clock knock and arrest you then don’t go to the cop shop as Mr M says – if you are innocent and believe you have done nothing wrong then it is THEIR JOB to find evidence to prove your did something wrong and then question you – where you do a no comment – then they have to actually work to find the evidence as you haven’t handed it to them on a plate by saying “yes I did her BUT…..” or “she was saying X, Y, Z so I hit her…..” >>> job done – confession – no need for the cops to get off their butts and do some work.

  44. skido says

    This is a nice article. In my case I was arrested for the first time in my life and it was based on my wife Bigamy case and it later went into fraud case and I was interviwed and cos have got no idea, I didn’t maintain no comment. Reading this article now really scared me and makes me think I should have maintain no comment. But what happen in a case where I can still maintain on my first comments?? And can I still say no comment in my second interview??? I haven’t been charged cos they are still investigating and we were both release on bail without condition. I’m really scared now and don’t know what to do. Please advise me.

  45. darkpolitics says

    You can always do a no comment interview whether its your first or third interview (UK LAW) however if you have already said something in your first interview that leads to either incriminating evidence being found or your own statements being used against you then you can’t really roll that back. the cat is out the bag so to speak.

    However the fact you are still on Police Bail and haven’t been charged yet means they are still investigating and if they re-interview you instead of just charging you on your return from Police Bail then you should know that they are still looking for answers to questions they have come up with or evidence they have found in that time. This means they WANT you to admit that “this t-shirt / shoes / coat / belongings are yours” or “this bank account withdrawal was for drugs / prostitutes/ x. y or x” – Saying YES just means they dont have to prove it as you have admitted it for them and why are they asking in the first place if they already know? They may have an idea that this is the case but with your admission that they are right you have played into their hands.

    If you don’t do the police’s job for them by giving them what they want then at least they have to earn their living by getting corroboarating evidence and even if they do charge you the CPS has to think the case is in the publics interest. Then even if you go to court you can get a good barrister and plead your case to 12 peers (if you go to Crown Court) (which is a lot better than 1 Magistrate who has heard a million cases and says Guilty most of the time) –

    Your choice – can you convince 12 average people of your community that you are innocent?

    But remember – I am no lawyer – I just have had experience with the Police and the UK legal system therefore get proper legal advice if you can.

    Read up on UK case law, as judgements are based on precedents and if you cannot afford a lawyer you should get one provided for you – so make sure they are a good one!

  46. S W says

    Hi, I have been arrested for stealing money from work and was court on cctv at the cash machine in the street, my duty solicitor then told me to say “no comment” from then on & is all I should say, I must admit seeing yourself on cctv doing something I shouldn’t really shook me up, I have mental health issues from my past and I have been bullied at work by my boss over the last year and in a meeting one day she ended it by referring to something that happened to me in my past, which finished me off and caused my mental illness back with a vengeance, and from then on for about a couple of months I really did not know what I was doing, yes I should have seeked help from my GP, but that’s all within hindsight now, and when I got arrested I can honestly say I didn’t realise I had stole money, I have never been in trouble before, I am 30 years old, anyway my question is, they didn’t charge me, they have bailed me to come back in a month, but if they have me on cctv why did they not charge me? What do think will happen next? Will I go to prison for this? I am really worried, I didn’t even want any money my mind is so blank over this,

  47. S W says

    Hi, I have been arrested for stealing money from work and was court on cctv at the cash machine in the street, my duty solicitor then told me to say “no comment” from then on & is all I should say, I must admit seeing yourself on cctv doing something I shouldn’t really shook me up, I have mental health issues from my past and I have been bullied at work by my boss over the last year and in a meeting one day she ended it by referring to something that happened to me in my past, which finished me off and caused my mental illness back with a vengeance, and from then on for about a couple of months I really did not know what I was doing, yes I should have seeked help from my GP, but that’s all within hindsight now, and when I got arrested I can honestly say I didn’t realise I had stole money, I have never been in trouble before, I am 30 years old, anyway my question is, they didn’t charge me, they have bailed me to come back in a month, but if they have me on cctv why did they not charge me? What do think will happen next? Will I go to prison for this? I am really worried, I didn’t even want any money my mind is so blank over this, please advise me,

    • darkpolitics says

      Probably because if you did a no comment interview the CCTV on it’s own is not enough to “prove” it was you. It could have been your doppleganger, a person who looked like you or just bad CCTV tape.

      I myself made the mistake of thinking that because I had been caught on CCTV I was bang to rights but I was told by my brief at Crown if I had gone no comment that was the only evidence and not enough to convict me.

      They obviously play the tape to you in the hope you go “oh yes that’s me, im sorry” – then that’s the Police’s job done. No more investigation as they have your confession.

      So you could have either got charged there n then by admitting it was you and 100% gone to Court but now you have a chance of an NFA, the CPS not prosecuting and a Jury or Magistrate going Not Guilty or Acquitting you. Which is the better of the two?

  48. Nancy says

    hi,
    I have been accused by someone in uni of stealing her phone 2 months back. Which is not true. and apparently my younger sister used the sim card that was in the stolen phone so on this base I got arrested today for the first time ever. the place where it got stollen is a huge room that allows us to paint and everyone leave their belonging at one place which is accessible to everyone. I think that some one is trying to trap me and placed the sim in my bag and then my younger sister used it thinking that its a spare card. Since i was unfamiliar with the police business I requested a solictor and she asked me as for now just keep saying no comments. I followed her comments and got bailed the police said that they will see the cctv and have asked me to come next month for another interview. I know they won’t be able to prove it as I know I haven’t done anything like this. and after I’m free with this can I file a complain against this person who have filed a case against me and put me into so much of trouble and waited my time. I am just so stressed out I can’t even concentrate in my studies. will you be able to advice me?

    • darkpolitics says

      Well only if you can get enough evidence to get that person to confess they stitched you up. It works both ways. Your sister needs to explain why she used the SIM, and I don’t know why it wasn’t her who got nicked if she used the stolen phone? Remember CCTV is crap, they said on the news that it is almost useless sometime back due to the bad quality of most tape. Therefore never admit something just because they say you are on tape. It could be someone who looks like you or a bad copy of the tape or the tape might not show the act happening. Don’t take the Polices word on the matter. Unless you go “yes thats me on tape stealing the phone” then they have to get more evidence. They use the CCTV trick in the hope that you go “oh yes its me” – job done – Police go home for doughnuts and coffee and you go to Jail. So don’t do their job for them by confessing just because you think they have you on tape. Read some of the previous comments about CCTV and what has happened. I myself recently couldn’t prove a fight was started by a bouncer because the CCTV was so rubbish as it is in most cases. They use it more as a deterrent than for evidence as they think people will act differently (which they will) if they know they are being watched – Big Brother! So don’t give into their mind games.

      As for punishing the other person I have no idea about that – I have never grassed anyone up and would never ask the police for help unless someone in my family was Murdered or Raped etc. I have had so many bad incidences when I was younger that I just don’t even trust them to help me any-more. Seek proper legal advice after your are off your charge but realise that someone DID steal this persons phone and someone related to you DID make a call on it.Therefore it might not be a conspiracy out to stitch you up at all. It could have been a mistake or accident or any of a number of other things.

  49. marcos says

    Thankfully

  50. Anonymous says

    My wife was arrested last year, and remains on police bail after several months. I am glad that I found this article. She was instructed by her solicitor to give no comment interviews. She has been interviewed twice, and bailed 4 times.

    We are not convinced the case will get to court, but we are always concerned that it might. The effect of this for her may be devastating, and it’s been hard enough being left in limbo for several months.

    • darkpolitics says

      Well I am glad she has been bailed 4 times, that’s a lot and if they havent’t managed to get enough evidence after 4 bail extensions they are unlikely to do so. Just hold on mate it could be over soon – and if you get an NFA, please send me a copy, someone else was going to but I never got it.

  51. Anonymous says

    Thanks, I hope so too. It has taken a long time, but we are doing OK. It gets hard at times because we have never had to deal with the police until this event – so this is all a big unknown. The last bail she was questioned over the content of her text messages which leads us to believe that they do not have a lot to go on, but we remain hopeful that an NFA will be coming our way soon.

    • darkpolitics says

      If you don’t mind me asking, what is the charge?

      If you are doing anything dodgy on phones remember this:
      -Get a phone you can take the battery off – take it out whenever you go somewhere you shouldn’t (no GPS OR Triangulation from phone mast tracking) – even turning a phone off has enough power left for them to ping masts, track you by GPS, turn on your camera and microphone and listen and watch you (if they wanted)
      -OR if you are going somewhere – leave your phone at home, and ask a friend to look after it. Then get someone else to ring it whilst you are away. Phone history (which lazy cops rely on now) will show your alibi was you were at home, and the call with prove it.
      -Delete texts ASAP after sending them.
      -Even better don’t text anything dodgy, talk IN PERSON to the other person. OR use a TOR based msg system going through proxies to send messages.
      -Sit outside a pub, shop, cafe with WIFI – a free app called “Fast Connect” shows you all the ones free in your area. The IP will be logged as that cafe/pubs IP. You can also get TorBOT and Tor based browsers on your phone.
      -Best phones are those numpty old ppls ones OR very old nokias, battery comes off, no GPS or internet, just text n calls. No inbuilt databases for iPhone n google to track you either.

      Not that I am saying you are a career criminal that needs to do any of this – just use the tech against the system – they are using it against you!

  52. Anon says

    I’d prefer not to divulge in public…

    However, she has not been charged yet. She is appearing for bail again shortly though.

    • darkpolitics says

      Ok good luck, but if you get an NFA please forward it on!

      • Suzanne Walker says

        Is the site still running?

  53. emma says

    My bf has a history with the police, nothing serious but was recently caught driving with no licence or insurance. Problem is that it was my car, they made him get out and took the keys off him..then they went to my parents house looking me at 4am! I was cautioned (at 5am so was half asleep!) They then dosed me for a few weeks as they couldnt reach him, to gt him to go to the police station to a point where I had to get a solicitor to go wih him. We have now received a court summons through the post. I know he will get charged but can I?? I thought if it was a caution that was it. Seriously worried about losing my job as a lecturer down to his stupidity

  54. carol says

    HELP
    Ive been rang today and asked to attended a voytary interview for a allegation of theft from 6 months ago il explain from march 2013 to december 13 i was helpin a friends nephew he claimed he couldnt read and write and claimed he was not great with dealing with stuff he had no family apart from his mum in a care home and a auntie who didnt seem intrested!
    he asked me to go with to various appointments re his mum and once a week he asked me to go with him to a atm to get his money for week he was always with me he never once gave me his bank card to go along always he stood beside me everytime and i only ever withdrawn what he asked well in dec after discoverin he had liered about many things i broke contact now 6 months on he made a allegation of theft sayin ive stole from him ! after reading all the above im thinking do i do a no commet interview and keep stum cos if they have evidence surley i been arrested and charged ?

    • darkpolitics says

      Yes, and they would come and arrest you and read you your rights rather than “ask” you to attend a voluntary interview.

      They are obviously trying to get your side of the story to determine whether this boy is making up stories (he may have a history of lying known to the police) or whether you will admit to them under caution that you did in fact steal money from him OR imply you did.

      Remember I am not a solicitor but if they wanted to nick you they would do. This means they only have one persons word against anothers. However if you do, do a no comment bewarned that if they believe he is telling the truth and feel it is suspicious that you gave a no comment interview that they may proceed to magistrates court. However I would go straight down to your local (non Police associated solicitors) to ask them for the best advice.

      Remember if the police have the evidence they charge you ASAP they don’t waste time with interviews. Interviews are so you can do their job for them and save them the time of actually doing Police work to find out if the boy is a liar, a known trouble maker or check bank machines and the photos taken from them to see if you did in fact take money from the machine that he claims you did on that day.

      They have a lot of work to do to prove you did steal it if it is months later and his word v yours due to some falling out. Therefore they want you to admit to taking money out of machines for him so they can say you took some extra and kept it.

      Your choice – but they would nick you if they had the evidence

      • darkpolitics says

        Just to let you know what a bunch of authority abusing cxxts the old bill are. Today I was pulled up by undercover old bill outside my office and told I was “acting suspiciously” and was going to have a drug search.

        With the 30C heat which I hate and the meds I am on for my pain I was sweating and hot and had a really dry mouth – this just made the cop think I was more suspicious and she didn’t even believe I worked in the office that 4 old bill cars pulled up outside in which everyone was looking out.

        I was taken off for a strip search at the local station by 2 male cops, they didn’t know the exact reason I had been stopped and on my form I was given afterwards (as they found nothing in my car or on me) it just says “seen acting suspiciously – possible drug activity”.

        I then got back to work to find out that the female cop who wouldn’t tell me why I had been stopped had told my BOSS that I had been seen DEALING DRUGS in the next town!

        No-one told me this and if they had I would have accounted for every movement I had made that morning.

        That could have lost me my job.

        I am just lucky my boss is mellow and not like my mates boss who when he came out of prison and tried going straight only had the local wanker cop go in one day and tell his boss that he had used to be a thief. He lost his job and ended up back doing crime and got a 6 year stretch for a robbery.

        So if you wonder why I hate the old bill here is a perfect example. No caution given – not arrested but humiliated in front of my work colleagues and taken off in handcuffs for a strip search and nothing was found.

        NFA = No Further Action

        Apart from a lot of explaining on my part to my work mates and boss!

        Wankers!

  55. sean says

    yes i do know the police have a hard job to do, but and befour i wright this and im not saying all police do this but some police out there when thay put that uniform on that makes them above the law and im not just saying it im a person its happening to wright now in lowestoft suffolk and no police offercer is above the law no copper is and that is FACT

  56. James says

    Hello today police left a letter through my door asking me to contact them as i was not in when they knocked, on the letter they had asked to speak with me regarding an offence they where investigating. when i rang the office they said that they wanted to speak with me because of certain bank transactions which i had made, however i had already alerted the bank that i had lost my card and someone else was using it and had got the card cancelled so they could no longer use it. on the phone the only thing i told the officer where that the bank were dealing with this. i am very nervous because i have never had an encounter with the police and im unsure what to do, they also never told me i was going to be arrested only that they wanted to speak with me because of an offence they were investigating which may not to do with me but with the person who was using my card. Any help would be appreciated

    • darkpolitics says

      Well if it’s bank fraud I’m pretty sure it will be your bank you is making the claim against you and there must be some sort of evidence that you have been kiting or the like otherwise you wouldn’t have been contacted. Usually if your card is taken you ring the bank and cancel it and then any charges are not laid at your door.

      However all the above I have said to other people is applicable and it is totally within your rights to not attend the police station on your own and wait for them to arrest you. Even if they do nick you, you can do a no comment interview and even if you are arrested you may not be charged or taken to court.

      However remember all cash machines and most shops have CCTV built into them (at pretty good distance now – ATM) so if you have been kiting they may have video evidence – how good a quality that is…..

      I don’t know the exact story and maybe there was a long gap between the time these charges were made and you reporting the card stolen which is making them suspicious so in that case you may want to explain any long, Diazepam induced sleeps you may have had whilst your purse/wallet was lying on the front doorstep just in case!

  57. michael taplin says

    HI,MY NAME IS MICHAEL TAPLIN, I COMMENTED ON ANON AND DARKPOLITICS COMMENTS ON THE 31ST.DECEMBER. I WAS WONDERING IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE WHO COULD GIVE ME ADVICE, MY GRANDSON IS IN COURT AS FROM JAN.5TH. ON A 3 WEEK ROTA, I HAVE 100% PROOF TWO POLICE OFFICERS ARE LYING UNDER OATH, AND THAT THE CCTV VIDEO HAS BEEN TAMPERED WITH TO SUIT THE POLICE, MY GRANDSON WAS 17 AT THE TIME AND WAS PROTECTING HIS DAD WHO HAD BEEN SEVERELY BEATEN UP, I CANNOT BELIEVE A YOUNG POLICEWOMAN AND A CID OFFICER WANT TO DO THIS AND SEE A YOUNG BOY GO TO PRISON, KNOWING THEY ARE TELLING LIES AND THEY, OR SOMEBODY HAS TAMPERED AND PAUSED THE CCTV TAPE!!!! I HAVE A COPY OF THE TAPE, I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE SOME HELP ON THIS ,MANY THANKS MICK. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU ALL!!!!

  58. michael taplin says

    BIT OF A DISSAPOINTING SITE REALLY, MOST FORUM GROUPS YOU JOIN, AT LEAST GET SOME REPLIES, I THOUGHT WHEN I VIEWED THIS SITE IT WAS GOING TO BE GOOD!!!!!!!

  59. michael taplin says

    Hi, does anyone on here know of any groups where people being in the same situation as oneself, can give any advice please,mick

    • mchael taplin says

      HELLO, Anyone got any advice on this matter plz??????

      • michael taplin says

        The cctv tape has been paused, making it look like the guy has done nothing, let it run and he comes round and stamps on my grandsons fathers head why he is unconscious on the ground, so my grandson pulls him off, and then they start fighting, was the only reason my grandson attacked this idiot, which is why I am sure what any normal son would have done, be it a judges son or a magistrates son, now he been charged with gbh with intent, and the coppers stitching him up, he was only 17 at the time and was scared his dad would die, as I said earlier, I have the tape to show it been paused, and that 2 police officers are going to lie in court under oath, but I do not know who to ask for help, it is due in court on feb.2nd. the incident happened in October 2013

        • m.taplin says

          WHAT A CRAP SITE, COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME!!!!!!!! LIKE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS, OBVIOUSLY, NO ONE KNOWS ANYTHING!!!!!

          • darkpolitics says

            Sorry Mr Taplin. I apologise because you think this is a crap sire because I don’t spend all day answering comments from people on this page or because your comment hasn’t been answered. I cannot answer everyone’s question straight away. I have been on a conspiracy to intimidate witnesses and perjury charge that took almost 2 years to come to court so I know how bad it can be.

            I spent a year with bail conditions that I couldn’t leave my house after 6pm at night and had police come round every night to check I was indoors. I lost out all my holiday money I had already spent for that summer and missed next years as I was in court for a 6 week “pre trial – trial”, to see what evidence could go forward to trial and so on. To be honest I spent most of the time with my co defendants in the dock asleep as it was so boring but we all got aquitted when we found out one CO’D was a paid police informer and her QC argued she couldn’t get a fair trial anymore due us all knowing she was a grass. Apparently it is now a precedent or so I was told but I have no clue how or where to check UK Law Precedents to prove it one way or another.

            If you had followed me on Twitter or read any of my recent articles you would know I have had cancer and just had a major operation that I am still recovering from? Maybe you expect me to forget my health to help you out.

            As for your sons case I would have gone straight to a video expert to get proof from that it had been tampered with. Without real evidence and a decent solictor/lawyer who can explain that the tape has been tampered with then you are not going to win the case.

            Just trying to explain to the court that the police have tampered with the tape isn’t going to do much who will the court believe?

            Yes police will try and get people into the jails as they probably have targets and conviction clean up records to keep to.

            This might not be Spain or Thailand where you have to hand over your money to get out of jail but there are still some cops who “may” believe they are doing the right thing by tampering with evidence or lying in their statements as they think your son is really guilty of the crime OR they are just wankers. I have met both kinds.

            The history books and autobiographies of criminals – if anyone bothers to read them e.g Mr Nice, Charles Bronson (banged up for 5 still in jails 25 years later for crimes committed behind bars), Dave Courtney, Chopper, Lenny McClean, Frankie Fraser, Krays, Richardsons, etc etc, then you will see many examples of people who may have lived on the wrong side of the law but met many cops who were also prepared to “bend” the law to their own ends.

            So sorry if your question was not answered when you wrote it but I have just come out of hospital and have a nice 5″ scar on my gut to proove it.

            I also have burned the skin of the last two fingers on my right hand and need plastic surgery.

            So I apologise for not writing through the pain and anyone else with knowledge of the system could (or should) have helped you but it surely was common sense to you to get the tape analysed by a professional so that you had an expert witness to call on for your sons behalf in court?

          • George says

            Obviously some disgruntled bent cop who was found out and kicked out of the police service!!

          • darkpolitics says

            Are you calling me an ex cop?

            LOL LOL LOL

            Yes I am an ex cop – I wish I would have a nice fat pension sorted if I was.

            If you have ever bothered to read any of the posts I have written you would know who I am.

            It is fair to say I hate cops and that’s because I have seen what SOME OF THEM do.

            If your a middle class white man I doubt you have ever seen anything but cops being polite and giving you directions or the time when you ask.

            Read some of the stories from the commenter are they all ex cops as well?

            Was Ian Tomlinson an ex cop when he died after being hit for no reason by a cop with a Truncheon? What about the girl protester battered with a truncheon at the protest about his death caught on camera?

            What about Steven Lawerence whose family had their house bugged? Are they all ex cops due to the death of their son? Plus the fact one of the killers dad was a crook with bent cop connections that kept his son out of jail?

            What about the thousands of complaints made by people about police behaviour and abuse. Are they all ex cops?

            Maybe you should spend ten years on a council estate as a kid and see how the cops treat you compared to a nice Middle Class area.

            Bell End

  60. Derick Raeside says

    Why not try the only thing I can say officer is, please stop hitting me with your batton!

  61. Bilnar says

    Hi darkpolitics ,
    I got a call today police asking to interview me. My ex went accusing me that I tried to kill him using a knife, which is not true. He claims the incident happened begining of January, went to report it end of January. I am going to see them in few days, I don’t know what to expect, what questions.. please advice

    • darkpolitics says

      Well go to a solicitor fast.
      Don’t take a duty solicitor.
      Don’t answer any questions unless you have been advised by your solicitor to do so.
      At the moment it’s your word v his UNLESS there were other witnesses. Then you might have issues but if it is he said, you said then they won’t have anything to charge you with unless you admit to doing it in interview.
      You can go no comment or you could just say “no that never happened”, don’t expand on answers, keep them short, yes/no etc. They will try and get you to talk and reel off a story that can be played with if they don’t believe you.
      However get a brief and ask him whether you should do a no comment then if it does go to court you can claim you did a “no comment interview” on the advice of your solicitor.
      If you have never been an interview before don’t be tricked by the coffee, the nice soft talking and so on. They want you to confess – job done for them. If you don’t they need evidence. If they cannot get any due to it being your word v your ex’s then they won’t be able to charge you.

  62. Craig says

    I am pretty glad i stumbled across this site, i was worried about the advice given to me by my solicitor of saying ‘no comment’ through out the whole interview but am now feeling slightly more confident i will get through this and prove once and for all that these are in fact false allegations.

    I have been accused of something 2 years ago that hasn’t happened. i received a call from the police asking me to come in the following day. I did so, along with the other guys in question it seems. I was the last to be interviewed and it turns out from my solicitor after i gave HER my statement that the police officers interviewing us had tried suppressing a statement from 2 undercover police officers because it helped our defense in that nothing happened. Due to this, my solicitor advised me to say no comment throughout the interview to all the questions put to me. The police have taken my phone a evidence, i willingly supplied the PIN for them to check it as have the other guys as if they are able to recover conversations off it from years ago, im 100% confident that it will prove these are just malicious, unfounded allegations. Or rather, i was confident of this before finding out that the police officers tried subduing their colleague statements to make it harder for our defense to prove us guilt free!

    My solicitor is confident that when we go back we will be told NFA will be taken and then i should go for a unlawful arrest, i was wondering if anyone else had any experiences similar to mine and how they deal with the up and down rollercoaster, one minute on a high convinced that because you did nothing, you will be exonerated, and the next on a low because you have heard the stories of police just after convictions to gain promotions!

    Thanks again to everyone posting what they have, reading up on others in a similar situation has at least provided me with a small amount of comfort that its not just me going through all this! I have never been in trouble with the police before so this was all a great shock to me!

    • darkpolitics says

      Hi and thanks for commenting.

      I hope you will get an NFA.

      I know from my own experiences the up and down is a big worry but then I was pretty nihilistic back in the days of getting nicked a lot. I didn’t really expect to live past the age of 21 and lived my life like I was on a mission to die. When my best mate died on my 21st birthday it was like God was playing a big nasty trick on me. Anyway that is all besides the point.

      Hopefully you will get your NFA and it will prove ONCE AGAIN to the naysayers who comment on here that this is all BS (I don’t know where they are getting their info) that

      a) it’s your right STILL to do a No Comment interview and
      b) not doing so does the polices job FOR them and c) you will hopefully get an NFA instead of court date.

      Good luck and let us know what happens please.

  63. kevin says

    most of the time its in your interest to say nothing, sometimes however it is important that you lay your defence out at the start if you are def going to be done. ive had gbh charges reduced on this basis. It has kept me out of jail when really i should have been sent down some police can be worked with. Every case is different and its important you evaluate all this

    • darkpolitics says

      I agree, as I gave the example of my own GBH section 18 charge. If I had of done a no comment I would have most definitley been remanded, lost my position studying at college, have to face a trial and then convince the jurors of my innocence so I could have gone down for self defence. It was only through me tellung the truth through multiple interviews and the other person lying from the start then changing his story each time whilst I kept to mine that the police decided to bellieve me and lwt me go with no charge even though I spent 3 long days in a police station listening to some mad man on LSD head butting the wall and claiming to be speaking to people who were not there. Not fun being in a paper track suit for 3 days! Especially when you are led from the cellar cells all the way up the top of the station to get finger printed and processed. Every opper just looks at you, sees the paper track suit and thinks you must be a murderer or a rapist

      So yes you do need to weigh up whether telling the truth is the best defence from the start, whether the police are okay, and whether you are likely to be believed. Plus if its a serious charge e.g section 18, Murder, Rape etc you could be looking at remand and not Police Bail.

      • Chez says

        Hi, my son went voluntarily to be arrested for an alleged offence against a partner, which didn’t happen and he gave a full, frank, believable account with his solicitor present and gave his phone in as proof. He is bailed for 2 months and suspended from work. We are worried that as plod going back to accuser for further interview that my son doesn’t see sight of this. Can this be a game of ping pong and how long can it go back and to? Can we get compensation for wrongful arrest and can accuser be arrested for lying? If we are invited back for further interview, how much further do we have to elaborate? How long is his phone away for?

        • darkpolitics says

          Hi

          Sorry but you are asking me questions I don’t know the answers to.
          You should be asking your solicitor all these questions.
          If your son is not charged then you can attempt a wrongful arrest on his partner but good luck in getting it as they are hard to achieve. People accuse people of crimes all the time, whether true or not, the Police don’t really care. They do care that your son has given them more evidence and details for them to check out whilst he is on bail. If not true or they lead to more evidence from the accusser then he could be in trouble. This is why no comment interviews are a good idea if you believe that someone is out to get you, Police or otherwise.

          Speak to your solicitor. I would have never given my phone in. Get two phones and give the “clean” one in if you have to. Getting property back from the police is hard. I still haven’t got mine back from when I was 18 and they gave me the 6 o’clock knock and took a load of “evidence” from my room.

          Good luck

          • Chez says

            Hi, fone is back and told nothing on it of interest, as we knew, but still waiting to hear if being charged. Is there a timescale or law that says if no evidence and not informed of any subsequent evidence, that they have to drop the case or can it carry on forever? Bail keeps being extended for what we think is no good reason. Thanks.

  64. Nora Belcher says

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  65. Mumontheedge says

    I have just had a phone call from a CID officer who asked me a couple of random questions about my son and I have no idea what it’s all about. He said he might ring me back tomorrow. Do I have to answer his questions when whatever is going on is nothing to do with me ?

  66. Dave C says

    I was arrested a few weeks ago, i was not interviewed due to tech reasons. so was bailed.
    it was for a crime i was alleged to have done 27-28 years ago. yes i no its a long time ago, I no i would not of committed the offense, but more to the point how the hell am i meant to remember so fare back. they will want details ect.
    any advice would be very much welcomed.

    • darkpolitics says

      Well you could just say “how am I supposed to remember so long ago – I never kept a diary back then!”

      I have no idea what you did but if it’s that long a go it sounds like a serious crime for the Police to bring up after so long.

      They could have lots of evidence against you and waiting for you to confirm it or it could be a fishing exercise.

      As I say to everyone – get a lawyer – not a duty brief – and if he advises you to go “no comment” then you can say in court that it was on the advice of your solicitor as there was no way you could remember where you were on dates that were decades old, therefore you could not accurately provide the police with accurate information and you didn’t want to get done for perjury for lying to the police about your whereabouts as you honestly cannot remember.

      A no comment does sound like your best option, however if you are asking me this AFTER your interview I don’t know what to say as you’ve already had it and you don’t say in your comment what you did during the interview?

      Did you speak?
      Did you do a “no comment”?
      Did you answer their questions?

      If you are already on Police Bail then it is now up to them to decide whether to pass it on to the CPS and then up to the CPS to decide if there is a good enough chance of a conviction.

      Crimes that have taken place so long ago often fall apart due to conflicting witness evidence (due to time), and unless you confirm their story a good brief will be able to use that long time gap as your defence e.g “how could you remember what happened 25+ years ago” etc.

      • David C says

        Thanks for your reply.
        no i have not yet been seen. Im due to be seen soon, 12 days times.
        I have been told by a friend that the solicitor will tell me to just tell the truth or what i can remember.

        I don’t know all the facts as i have not been spoken to yet, but after the solicitor has been spoken to about what evidence they say they have,
        when the solicitor tell me what he /she has been told what evidence the police have and it triggers a memory should i tell the solicitor that i no what they are on about or that i think i no what it is they want or do i just tell the solicitor i don’t recall.

        but what i have been told by the police when i was arrested i no 100% it was not me, but do i tell them that i do no the places or the other people that they may ask if i know them?

        At the moment i have not said a word, just i don’t no what they are on about.

        What i am afraid of is incriminating my self as there are a lot of innocent people that are taken away from there family’s & locked up

        • darkpolitics says

          Well if you do a no comment interview you just say “no comment” to EVERY QUESTION the police puts to you. Ask your solicitor whether you should do a no comment interview first as you cannot remember the dates/facts and don’t want to say something inaccurate that could be used against you. Then if he agrees you do a no comment interview and if asked in court you say you did on the advice of your solicitor because you could not remember the dates/facts/places/times etc. This gives you time to think about your story if it progresses to a court case. Your solicitor should be the one advising you whether to do a “no comment” interview though NOT me as I don’t know the facts of your case. Go and speak to one ASAP and ensure he is there on the date of your interview at the Police station.

          • rachel says

            hi just spent twelve hours in police custody i have been charged with stealing a sandwich and punching a security guard i am completly traumatised by this i did not touch the man he was a huge great big man i am a seven stone female the police are backing the cctv evidence despite the fact for a start i did not ever ever ever ever even touch him let alone punch him I did a prepared statement and then no comment but despite reassurances from duty soliciter ive been charged with theft and common assualt I am terrified i know its not the biggest false charge but to me it is .im scared on all counts i had duty and gave a statement. so after reading your advice im even more freaked out .i was arrested at half ten yesterday only just got home .would appreciate any advice thanks

          • rachel says

            hi just spent twelve hours in police custody i have been charged with stealing a sandwich and punching a security guard i am completly traumatised by this i did not touch the man he was a huge great big man i am a seven stone female the police are backing the cctv evidence despite the fact for a start i did not ever ever ever ever even touch him let alone punch him I did a prepared statement and then no comment but despite reassurances from duty soliciter ive been charged with theft and common assualt I am terrified i know its not the biggest false charge but to me it is .im scared on all counts i had duty and gave a statement. so after reading your advice im even more freaked out .i was arrested at half ten yesterday only just got home .would appreciate any advice thanks also how do I get a good soliciter im a nurse and i could be sacked but apart from that im accused of something i am innocent of and its the most unbelievable experience to endure . very frightning if they can lie like this about such small thing
            were do i find a good brief how do you know if there any good

          • darkpolitics says

            Well first theft of a sandwich isn’t the biggest crime in the world.

            I won’t read out my record for obvious reasons but all crimes are “spent” after a number of years.

            The more severe the crime the more time it takes for it to be spent. I was arrested a lot and went to court a lot in my younger years, sometimes for some severe crimes. However I am now a senior computer programmer and all my crimes are “spent” and if you look at an application form for a job it will always say when listing criminal offences, to only list those that fall under the rehabilitation of offenders act 1974.

            This states that “the UK Parliament enables some criminal convictions to be ignored after a rehabilitation period. Its purpose is that people do not have a lifelong blot on their records because of a relatively minor offence in their past” >>> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=the+rehabilitation+of+offenders+act

            Therefore a minor crime like yours will be spent in a couple of years.

            You say you are a nurse so you are in a job. Why would you need to tell them that you have been convicted of a crime anyway?

            Going for new jobs is the problem, you have one, chill. I have been in jobs and got done for things and not told my employer as I had no need to.

            Also if you go for a lot of professional jobs you hand in a CV. You never put on your CV your criminal convictions do you?

            It is usually temp work and contract work with application forms that require you to state your convictions.

            Also if you think about it, the majority of this countries population have probably been convicted of some sort of crime or another whether its just a driving offence (speeding) or youthful jinx or drunken mistakes.

            I do remember when I was younger I was caught on CCTV doing something related to a conspiracy charge. I admitted in interview it was me on tape. However my lawyer later told me that they cannot convict you on CCTV evidence alone.

            How true that is now in Police State UK I don’t know so check it out – Google it – and find yourself a solicitors firm to represent you that DO NOT DO DUTY BRIEF work for the police. That was your mistake using a duty brief and making a statement.

            A total no comment interview would have been better as then you could say “how could they prove the person on the CCTV was you” in court later on if taken there.

            I know you must be scared but having a criminal record is not the end of the world unless you just killed someone and are looking at a 15 year stretch.

            Your crime is a minor.

            If you are convicted check your contract at work to see if there is any need for you to tell them about it.

            Also even if there is, is there a policy of sacking people who have criminal records in the NHS?

            I know people who work in the hospitals with criminal records. Check your contract and just take a days holiday for your court date if you are taken to court – it will only be a magistrates court and maybe half a day of being there.

            Don’t tell anyone at work what you are doing though!

            A theft charge will probably give you a fine of the cost of the sandwich you stole plus court fees. So you are looking at less than £100 and maybe a conditional discharge.

            Chill. Relax.

            Find yourself a good solicitor and ask if they do DUTY work at the Police and then ignore them and find a brief who doesn’t. It may cost you money but then you need to weigh up the severity of the crime and what punishment you will get.

            If it’s your first crime you can mitigate yourself with people giving you a good character reference in court if you want.

            Also if you have already been charged and given a court date you can just appear, go guilty, mitigate yourself (no need for a brief then) – and tell the court your own side of the story.

            You have options and you shouldn’t worry. Take care and let us know what happens.

  67. Helpwanted says

    I have been asked to attend the police station for questioning. I have been accused of making nuisance calls and my mobile number has shown up on the ‘victims’ phone records, do I say no comment as surely they would have to prove the calls were actually made by me, just because it’s my number they have no proof that the calls were made by me or by someone else.

    • darkpolitics says

      Well you are right you could have left your phone around the house or left it at the pub etc and people have used it without your knowledge.

      Depends on how much security you have on it as if you have lots of patterns to draw or codes to write to get into the device no-one is going to know the right pattern/code to use it.

      If it’s a freely accessible phone then anybody could have used it and you could use that as a defence in court so a “no comment” would be good. Just get a solicitor to advice you first – not a duty brief or a firm that works doing works as duty briefs.

      Obviously it depends on how many times your phone number appears in the list as one or two could be easily explained away.

      A dozen or so is a bit harder to explain. Unless you could somehow say a lot of people hated this person and used your phone without your knowledge etc.

      Depends on the number of calls you made and when and where. Anyone can lose a phone – I lost mine last week, bloody Samsung Galaxy Edge really pissed me off.

      Yet I have patterns on the screen you have to pass to get into it and no-one as of yet has failed (after 3 it takes a photo of the person and emails it to me – only people ever emailed have been me forgetting the pattern or doing it wrong) – so either someone has found it and sold it as is, hacked around the security or its still in a ditch somewhere that I cannot locate.

      If I didn’t have security to get in, then whoever found it could have made free calls to Nigeria or Pakistan for hours and I would get the bill.

      It all depends on how many calls you made and over what period of time I would say. Once or twice in the same night it could easily have been your friends taking the piss but 20 over a space of 3 months that’s harder to explain. Once again speak to a brief.

  68. Mike says

    I’ve had a nightmare over the last 3 years – 4, 5 or 6 trips in the ‘van’ – I’ve lost count. I usually talk varied between with and without a solicitor. One of the cases involved another alleged perpetrator – but I didn’t go for ‘no comment’, I said absolutely nothing while the tape was running !
    What have I learned ? – can’t trust anyone. Solicitors and barristers are bent too. In one case, my solicitor agreed with the prosecution (but disagreed with Lord Bingham – which I found out later.)

    Anyway, the silent interview ended up with a charge 10 months later – so up before the mags as a LiP (Litigant in Person, i.e. no solicitor) – with one intention – to get the case transferred to crown. Oh that was another solicitor’s lie – ‘no right to a jury’, bastards.
    First hearing at Crown, set trial date + duration (5 days). Judge advised us what we needed to supply the court – I acted as LiP for both of us.
    At the next hearing, the prosecution admitted it had no evidence against us – hence found not guilty.
    The whole process led to the suicide of a relative.

    Anyway, my question is whether there’s any duty on the police to get you home again after arrest & release ? As I said possibly 6 times but one of those they dumped me 40 miles from home and abandoned me – left to walk home. Can they get away with this ?

    [They never did it again as in the UK jaywalking isn’t an offence – so no probs ‘crossing’ the road in front of a cop car ! Ooh, the female cop was livid and nearly got rear-ended. So I hopped in the front passenger side and told her to drive on. Got thrown out at the next bus stop and told I’d be arrested for jaywalking if I continued. So I did continue ! As she drove past, she shouted the caution out of the window as she went past!

    Thinking now of suing the chief – for stress and stuff for not getting me home (usually give train fare).

    • darkpolitics says

      Sorry to hear of your troubles. I know when the police/judiciary make mistakes it can have a major impact on your life. Stories in the paper always lead to the suspicion of “no smoke without fire” and other BS. You get no apology just hefty solicitors fees OR even worse barrister fees if you go to Crown. You should have the right to be seen by a Jury if you want (I thought you did – maybe Labour took that away as well due to the costs) – at least you are being judged by a panel of your peers not beaks who have seen similar crimes all day long and are used to thinking everyone is guilty.
      Sorry to hear about that and thanks for sharing.

  69. Feeling the pain says

    I have been arrested and was release with a bail order to appear at court in four weeks. I was arrested and charged with making nuisance calls. Surely an undertaking is for more serious crimes. Calls they say are dating back to 2013 approx 6 made, nothing in 2014 and 37 during 2015. I have never been in trouble and I have depression and drink problems and am getting a treatment. What kind of evidence will the police have against me and can I go to prison or is a fine more likely if I plead guilty

    • darkpolitics says

      If you go to Crown Court, then if you pleas guilty and save the court costs (always money), you will get a third off your sentence straight away. Plus if you served time on Remand that should be taken into account as well. However if you are only going to Magistrates court I think (check this) that the maximum sentence (jail) is 2 years. Which you would do half of inside, half out on tag / Probation etc.

      Nuisance calls does not seem like a serious offence to me – obviously depending on who to and what you said in them – but I would “guess” if this is your first offence with a good brief you could get away with a fine even a conditional discharge (promise to be good for a period of time e.g 18 months or a year) or even bound over to keep the peace. It depends on the nature of the case and you would only see the evidence against you once charged and a court case is on it’s way then your solicitor would be given the opposing sides case against you so that you can create a defence.

      If you don’t even know what is going on yet then it is far too early to tell. Also if you can put your drink/depression down to the pressure of the case that can be mitigating circumstances used in your court case to prevent a harsh punishment so get letters from your GP, councellors etc to back this up. The more the better.

      Remember our jails our full. Even a Tory Justice minister is talking about reducing Prison population due to the growing size of it. In my opinion prisons should be kept for serve crimes like Murder, Rape, Robbery, GBH etc as they are not nice places. Community Service though is no joke. Having to spend all your spare time and weekends working off a 200 hour sentence picking up rubbish, n painting buildings etc will take a huge amount of time away from you but at least you can sleep in your own bed.

      I don’t know the facts of the case so have no idea what you did in interview as surely the police would have given you some idea of the case against you then?

      • Feeling the pain says

        I gave an no comment interview, the questions were did I know the person, how did I know the person, did I socialise with the person, why have I made silent calls to this person over a two year period. The undertaking seems a bit over the top saying I must not contact, communicate or approach or attempt any of these things to the victim so I don’t know what spin she has put on things? I don’t want to air my depression and alcohol addiction etc in court so not sure if I ask for continuation without plea to see if my solicitor can downplay some of the wording If it looks damaging on the fiscal report. I’m worried sick I will get a jail sentence. I have checked back and it’s approx 50 calls over 2 years

        • darkpolitics says

          So r u admitting (to me) u did it? Or was it just a drunken/depressive behaviour to an ex when u were feeling down to hear her voice etc?

          I would say that a good mitigation can get you off a stiffer sentence. Me and two mates were going to be banned from every pub in the area (when pubwatch just came out) for some mad behaviour n drunken fights after a mate had just died (all in the papers) – and it was only me standing up n reading out a letter about why we did it and what would happen if you banned us from all pubs that stopped us being put on pub watch. That didn’t prevent one of the bouncers we beat being on the pubwatch committee n banning us anyway. Unfortunatley the letter came through with my dads name on it (share middle/surname) and he came storming into my bedroom saying “why am I banned from every pub in the area” – not needed. Luckily one of the pubs we drank in was ran by the head of pubwatch and he managed to get us off it within a year and let us drink in his pub during. But a good mitigation (depression leading to drink/drugs) can get you a leaner sentence but I doubt you would get jail for the crime anyway. Maybe suspended at most probably a conditional discharge and a fine or maybe community work etc.

  70. Lee says

    Hi I hope someone could advise or just offer an opinion. In Nov 15 I was arrested on suspicion of fraud e.g wilful misrep and obtaing property by deception. All of which I deny. I was interview by the coppers with a solicitor present, told my solicitor my version of events, solicitor advised me just to constantly deny, which I did.

    I was then bailed pending further enquirers for one month to return to the station. Two days before I was due to answer my bail, I was informed that my bail was to be extended until the 15th Feb 2016. What in anyone’s experience is your take on this? If I am re-interviewed I am minded to go “no comment” is that the consensus here? I find the whole situation rather confusing as well as cloak and dagger as I’ve never been in trouble, interviewed or cautioned before.

    Thanks

    • darkpolitics says

      Personally I have found that when they extend police bail it’s because they don’t have enough evidence to charge you at that point so they need more time to find it. If you don’t admit the crime in interview e.g go “no comment” then they have to find the evidence to convict you. So I would see it as a good sign and def go no comment if re-interviewed as you should have done on the first interview. Depending on what you said in that first interview they might be having trouble following up any lead you gave them, contacting people you mentioned or getting them to co-operate. I don’t know what you did in the first interview. However you might get an NFA letter through the post before the next date or they may take you in to say they are dropping the charges just to piss you off. Either that or they are waiting for evidence to come through but if they re-interview you the questions they ask should tell you what tact they are taking. If they just repeat the same questions from the first interview they probably don’t have new evidence and need you to admit the crime.

      • Lee says

        Thanks for your reply, they are trying to pin on me that I concealed info, they have no evidence of that, I advised them in my interview that I was open and honest, effectively is its my word against someone else, very little documentation exits supporting the polices version of events. They took my laptop, iPad and mobile phone, nothing of which has anything on it relating to my situation.

        I have asked my solicitor to find out about what they have in store for me but the copper involved is on rest days until Friday, I’m due for bail on Monday so I can only assume that my bail will be extended again. Also the copper involved rang me ask me to disclose some paper work to which my replay was “make your request via my solicitor” – cheeky Bastards.

        • darkpolitics says

          Well if it really “your word v someone elses” and there is no evidence to support the claim apart from someone elses word e.g no paper work / PC files / hidden files (remember a PC keeps ALL emails/URLS visited/documents even when deleted in a secret hidden compartment which is why if you ever need to get rid of a computer tools scrub the hard drive 15+ times and then even then imprints still exist so you need to really smash the hard drive up or frazzle it) – then it will be hard to take to court unless you admit what they are saying.

  71. Sam says

    The person that has acussed me of stealing has died so do I still have to make a statement to the police in the uk

    • darkpolitics says

      Well depends on whether it was the person OR the police who were prosecuting you. Sometimes you can be arrested and charged for a crime even if the person you offended against doesn’t want to press charges e.g Rape, Murder, Assault etc the cops will try and do you anyway due to the severity of the crime. I don’t know the facts but if they have no evidence apart from the dead mans word against yours then he cannot give evidence in court so unless the Police have evidence against you or you admitted the crime they might still want to interview you – go no comment if its was his word v yours.

  72. noko says

    IANAL, but I wish to add to this from a UK PoV based on what I’ve heard from lawyers, law students and various other reliable sources of information:

    1. Do not let the police inside your house unless they have a warrant. If they don’t, stand outside with them and close the door behind you. Ask a few simple questions such as “How can I help you?,” “What is this regarding?”, but do not answer anything.

    2. If they’re there to caution/warn you, you can in fact refuse both of these (otherwise the police would be able to caution you for things that aren’t crimes, or for things you did not commit) – and at this point it becomes a matter for the CPS. Though it all depends if you want to go along with this. And they do get logged on a criminal record.

    3. When arrested, or refusing to say anything further (e.g. above), say “I have nothing (furthermore) to say without a lawyer present.”

    4. When being interrogated, say absolutely nothing, and saying “No comment.” or any variant classifies as saying something. The only acceptable words out of your mouth at any given time should be “I wish to use the toilet,” and nothing more.

    5. When someone claiming to be a lawyer turns up, ask to see a SRA (Solicitors Regulation Authority) membership card and/or BSB (Bar Standards Board) membership card, as well as something that validates their identity.

    6. You have the right to see the evidence against you before entering a plea.

    7. Do not lie, for obvious reasons, but always be abiguous with your answers. E.g. “Maybe I have? Maybe I have not?” (Plausible deniability, in a sense.) – After all, the burden of proof is on them.

    8. In a court, you still have the right to remain silent, and do not have to answer questions if you do not wish. This is because they cannot force you to testify against yourself.

    All that said, I didn’t know about the signing off under the last item incase they falsify the log. I’ll have to remember that.

  73. rhys says

    Q1If your relised on bail are the police ment to put when, where,dates and times the incident took place ?
    Q2 in a interview do they by law have to read the victims statment to you so it is on cd ?

    • darkpolitics says

      They don’t have to read the victim statment to you. They may pose questions based on it but you will only get the full statement and other evidence during the discovery stage of a court case.

      I have been interviewed before about a serious crime and they have not told me the victims name or where it was supposed to have happened. It was all made up and we got an NFA but it was a very weird day being asked where I was on Tuesday 12th March X years ago. How am I supposed to know, I had trouble remembering where I was a week ago. I don’t keep a diary. On the charge sheet they may state the offence e.g Drunk and Disordely, X road on X date but on more severe crimes the details are kept until a later stage. The police have to state who they are (by name / rank) in the interview and the date of the interview as well as your name and your solicitors but apart from that I don’t think by law they have to do anything else.

  74. tester says

    What a load of tosh, I’ve been interview several times now, police don’t rough you up anymore! Half the time the police want to move on to the next case because their so busy!

    • darkpolitics says

      I think you are forgetting two factors.

      1. The original article from http://www.schnews.org.uk was probably written long ago before the standard use of tape recorders in an interview. My section afterwards is related to how the actual process works but the original piece was taken from the times when no CCTV was in stations and written statements allowed for abuse.

      2. I have been nicked many times as well and I have been beaten in the cells and vans on the way to the nick. The police can threaten you in your cell, before or after interview and they can promise to “let you off with …” if you just say “….” without it being on tape. Once that tape recorder is off they can say what they want. They can promise you what they want as they are busy getting your solicitor to the room and if you have done something to a cop (assaulted them, had a chase, smashed their car/van during a car chase) then they may want to not move on to the next case so quickly as they might be looking to get you 100% for whatever it is you did.

      Not every case is the same and not every cop acts like every other cop. If your a “face” and you have been getting away with stuff for time then they may spend that extra bit trying to get one over on you. It all depends on what you have done and the cicurmstances of the crime.

  75. Mike says

    Hi hope some one can help I’ve Been reported for handling stolen goods but haven’t been charged yet does this mean that I’m been charged in court or are the CPS looking at the file the poilce have sent to the CPS I have giving 3 no comment interviews and this has been going on for 14 months now.

    • darkpolitics says

      So you’ve given 3 no comments, and you still haven’t been charged by the police – not even put on “police bail”? Usually they would put you on police bail until they decided whether to charge you or not. I thought there was a limit to the time they could NOT charge you if arrested for a crime. Were you arrested and read your rights e.g “you have the right to remain silent….” etc? If you are on police bail OR not and you say it’s still going on then they are obviously trying to investigate the crime themselves as you haven’t admitted doing any wrong doing in the interview which was the right thing to do. If they cannot find enough evidence they will eventually have to give you an NFA or the CPS will have to decide whether there is enough evidence to send you to court. I am sure your solicitor would be able to tell you the exact status of your position as it stands.

      • mike says

        Hi thanks for replying sorry yes I have been on police bail for 14 months it was only at the end of last month that the police said they are reporting me when I as my solicitor he said that I will get a letter in the post but that”s all he said but he did tell me to give a no comment on the three time I was interview. The police said it be a couple of months be for I get a letter.

        • darkpolitics says

          Well I guess that letter will either be an NFA (No Further Action) or an order to report to the station to be charged (if you haven’t already), or a court date. However I have never got court dates in the post. I have always been told to come to the station, charged and given a sheet of paper with a date to appear at X court at X date on it if charged with anything.

          What that letter will say I have no idea and your solicitor should really tell you more.

  76. Chris says

    Dear Dark Politricks,

    This is by far the best thread I have found on the internet regarding advice for police interviews. I have never been a fan of police tactics and my distrust of them has been ingrained since a small child. The general treatment of individuals I have witnessed from the so called ‘protectors of justice’ has been diabolical. Akin to school yard bullying!

    Now I find myself in a more than precarious position for which I still believe I have committed no wrong doing. Myself and 7 others have been arrested and bailed for fraud and money laundering offences relating to a business we worked for – I will decline to give details for fear of self incrimination. The police have interviewed me twice and the others at least 2 or 3 times each. The interviews have all had the same questions relating to accounts, people and our roles and responsibilities. So far the investigation has continued for 4 years and this has placed a great deal of stress and pressure on all of us. No charges have yet been brought which is probably about the best we can wish for at this point.

    What is interesting is that our solicitors all communicate. All 8 of us have given no comment interviews as we were all advised that this is doing the polices work for them. This has no doubt made the investigation much more difficult for the fraud squad and would perhaps explain why the investigation has gone on for so long. The questions in interview do suggest that the police still know very little and as no charges have been brought this can be the only reason why (This does not mean charges will not be brought in the future – the investigation is still ongoing).

    I guess at this point I am probably seeking advice from those with experience. We have all been taken off bail and are free men. However, the police said we will have to wait to hear from the CPS and the investigation is still ongoing. What do you think will happen next? How do I know if I will be charged or is it just a waiting game? After 4 years I would like to be able to plan for the future. This is what people don’t understand about the police (and why they are hated). If we get charged next year for example, then we would have been investigated with our accounts frozen and limitations placed on our life for 5 years. we can’t save money, all work has to be paid in cash, we can’t buy homes or even form relationships with this hanging over our heads. Because it is a complex fraud case, it’ll be 2 years after being charged until the case gets to court, taking it to 7 years of hell. Then I could get say 5 years for fraud with another 4 on top if I can’t pay a confiscation order. For what we are being accused of this is not fair!

    If anyone has any experience of whether I’ll be charged or not it would be much appreciated

  77. Chris Anthony says

    Hi Darkpolitics,

    Far and away the best thread on the internet in relation to police interviews and the bullying tactics they employ.

    I’ve recently had first hand experience of this. Myself and 7 others have been interviewed in relation to fraud and money laundering charges – I worked for the company and consider myself innocent as I was unaware the business was defrauding clients – I’m just a salesman after all.

    I’ve been told by the police I’m going to prison and looking at 5 to 8 years and another 4 to 5 on top if i can’t pay the confiscation order after they’ve finished the case. They been investigating us for 4 years now and still no charges. 3 out of the 8 of us were arrested and have been on bail until recently. The police have released them from bail and we are still awaiting charges. So far only 1 of the 8 has given a statement and the rest of us have given no comment interviews. Other than the 3 who were arrested the rest of us have gone in voluntarily and been interviewed under caution. The police have hounded my mum and my girl friend for information, even though they are unconnected to the supposed crime, they just have a connection to me.

    My girl friend has been in pieces as she’s under the impression she’ll lose me for at least 3 to 5 years until I’m on license, so effectively our relationship can’t go anywhere. I think this whole process is as tough on her as it is on me. We’ve been together 5 years and were planning on getting married until this happened.

    Even if we get charged tomorrow it’ll be 18 months until the court date. That means until we find out whats happening none of us can plan a future. No point in saving money as they’ll only take it after we go down. Some of the guys accounts are still frozen, they don’t even have access to their own bank accounts.

    The police do all this on purpose as they want to break you down. It compels you to want to go in there and spill your guts so it’ll just all be over quicker. I guess we are now waiting on the CPS to make a charging decision but it’ll be interesting to see what effect the no comment interviews have. The thing that gets you is if your me, you want to claim innocence and say well this guy was my boss so blame him but the police are lying scumbags as much as the criminals they are supposed to catch. They’ll twist anything I say to make me sound like the bad guy so I would never shit to a copper. I was brought up being told the police are scum and seen plenty of evidence to support that over the years.

    I still can’t understand though how it is that none of us are on bail any longer and we just have to sit and wait indefinitely to either be given court dates or an NFA by the CPS. I just want to get on with my life, get a new job and move on. Not to mention that if I do go down I’m hardly going to be more reformed when I come out.

    Do you have any experience with this Dark Politics??? Any advice on whats likely to happen next would be really appreciated.

    All the best, C

    • darkpolitricks says

      Longest I’ve been on bail is a year for a conspiracy to intimidate witness (20 years max) and perveting the course of justice (life max) – all trumped up of course as we were just 18 year old teenagers and unbeknowing doing the deeds of an official police informer. The whole reason we were aquitted in the end was after a 6 weeks PRE TRIAL trial to see if the case should go forward to trial. 6 weeks is a long time. We were asleep in the box half the time (good few of us and the police informer) – but when discovery materials were presented to our lawyers that she was indeed a paid informer her QC argued that she couldn’t get a fair trial due to us now knowing she was a police informer and us all hating the police etc and we were all aquited. She now works in Holloway (womens prison) even though she spent a year in remand in their – must have loved it a lot. Anyway we were on court bail for a year, and I missed two holidays, one I had paid for and lost the whole lot of money, the other I had booked as I thought the case would be over by then but wasn’t. I was doing my exams at the time and had to ask the the College and Court for time off each way to do my exams or go to court etc. Was a very hectic and stressful time in my life and caused a psychotic breakdown in the end. But I was on court bail for a year not police bail. We all denied the charges and stuck up for the women under some sense of loyalty (grasses are scum etc and all that) but we never knew at the time she was a police informer. We had cops turn up every day at my house to check I was in by 6pm each night. I couldn’t go out at night for a whole year. That is bad when you are 18/19 and want to go clubbing etc. Anyway at least I met a girl on the Internet when chat room first came out and after I had my bail conditions lifted I could meet her and ended up going out with her for a couple years. Anyway cops will do anything do get you to bubble so don’t believe anything they say even outside the interview room. I remember once I got re-arrested on another attempt to intimidate a witness as I chased the person who had grassed every one down a road but the cops after interviewing me gave me a lift home, stopped at a chip shop and bought me fish n chips as I was having my dinner at home when they turned up to nick me. And obviously on the way home they were asking me questions about the case and so on. I was clever enough to know to say nothing relevant but that is the sort of thing they do. Good cops bad cops its not just a story in films. I’ve never been on court bail for 4 years thats a long time but I guess with financial crimes its a complex case and even jurors don’t understand the ins and outs of it all so trying to gather evidence is hard. Maybe the person who gave the interview bubbled on you and the other and they have been spending the time collecting evidence but I don’t know it’s a long time. I know what you mean about not being to plan ahead. A year at 18/19 is a long time in your life and it really screwed me up. However getting aquitted in Crown was the best feeling in the world and I hope you get an NFA or aqquited mate. Good luck

  78. Dark Politricks says

    Yes, I was on police bail for the best part of 2 years for a conspiracy and perverting the course of justice charge. Had to go to court every 3 months to see if we could get our bail relaxed (days b4 tags) so cops came round house at 6pm every night to make sure I was in.
    Lost 2 holidays, paid for etc, as I was on bail and wasn’t allowed to leave the country.
    When it went to court it was a 6 week pre-trial trial to see what evidence could be admitted – I was asleep most of the time so boring.
    However it came out one of our CO Defendants was a paid police informer. And the cops were giving her drugs to sell to us so she could grass people higher up.
    Once we knew about that during discovery we were all begging to go QE on her as we basically all stook up for her in interview and said nothing but once I knew she was a paid grass I would have gone QE on the bitch.
    The cop who was the centre of the ring, was too “depressed” to give evidence – even had his doctor come in to give evidence on how bad he was.
    Proper BS it was and once her lawyer (we all had our own – big crowded court with 8 defendants) – he was a QC and he managed to persuade the judge she wouldn’t get a fair trial now we knew she was a grass so we all got aquiited. She was on 28 charges of supply and got off scot free apart from the year in remand at Holloway she did – which funnily enough she now works at as a screw – must have loved it there.
    But a long winded court case ruine your life. I was doing my college exams at the time and having to go to court and ask for time off and vce versa at college. Wonder at all I got any decent grades would have got much better without the case. No comp obviously.
    It’s a drag and a mare but at least your not on remand!

    • Chris Anthony says

      I find it very strange though that they have released us all from bail with no charges whilst they continue their investigation. I can only assume it’ll be a summons through the post for all of us to attend a court date as I’d be surprised if after 4 years they will give us an NFA (Still stranger things have happened)

      • darkpolitricks says

        So you have been on Police Bail for 4 years?

        That is a long time.

        The longesdt I was on bail was from the court for a year and that was with regular police checks at my house to ensure I was in by 6pm each day but that was before tags became standard use so many years ago.

        It all depends on the charge and why you are waiting.

        I’ve never heard of anyone being on police bail for 4 years. That is a long time so they must be investigating a hell of a lot or just twiddling their thumbs. Usually the police will charge you and then pass it on to the CPA to decide whether to prosecute you or not. So I cannot really comment except to say if they haven’t charged you for 4 years then there is a good chance they haven’t got the evidence to do so.

        • Chis Anthony says

          Well this is where it gets tricky to explain….

          So the companies office was raided 4 years ago, the first 2 people who were present at the time were arrested and released on bail. Once the investigation into accounts and such started then further arrests were made. The first and last were 2 years apart so the most recent of us, me included, have been on bail for the last 2 years. We have all been questioned in interviews over the 4 years, all have given no comment (except 1 who gave a prepared statement). In all our last interviews we were told we don’t need to come back, so are technically no longer on bail. I’m guessing this is for 2 reasons… Either 1, they can’t put the picture together and have given up or 2, they’ve completed their investigation pending a CPS decision and we will receive a court summons through the post. We are being accused of running an £8 million boiler room fraud. We all knew we’d be questioned from the raid as all of us have received money from accounts etc. As the burden of proof is on them I’m guessing they would have to know who was in charge, what parts individuals were responsible for and what level of blame is on who. If this is the case then all no comment interviews wouldn’t give them that. Either way I’m not going to snitch on my boss. Rather do bird than be a grass. I just don’t get though if I’m bang to rights, like I’m told I am then why take me off bail to post me a court date??

          It is not the thought of going to jail that gets to you, its the not being able to get on with your life that does. We could be waiting another 6 months to a year for a CPS decision as its a complex fraud investigation. So that’ll be 5 years until a court date, 18 months more till it goes to court and a minimum 5 years for the level of money. I think I’m in for a long wait!!

          • darkpolitricks says

            Sounds like it. If you all did No Comment then they will have to do the hard graft to put all the pieces together. That’s why they interview you hoping for someone to admit it or grass on someone else. If you are all on bail and all know you all did NC interviews (some of the others maybe lying remember and bubbled on you or someone else due to being scared) – it happens. However it seems like you are waiting for the CPS to make a decision and with complex fraud cases they have to weigh up the likelihood of getting a conviction and with a jury that is hard as they won’t understand most of it. So you could get an NFA just due to the fact they know a jury wouldn’t understand the case. But I do know what you mean, the waiting for a decision is the worst part of it all. good luck

  79. Jason says

    Hi,
    I was accused of Fraud and Deception for stealing mobile phones at my previous job, (which i did not do). I left the company a few months before all this happened and started a new job when i got a phone call from the police to have an interview in a few days which i agreed to go. I was advised to do a “No Comment” Interview. They are accusing me of stealing over 500 handsets. There is also 5 other people from my old work accused of the same thing. When i arrived at the police station they told me one of the guys has already admitted to being involved etc. I just said “No Comment”. This was in early September 2015 and i still have not heard anything from the police nor has my lawyer. This is very stressful as i have a young family and just want to move on with my life. They were suppose to brief me at the end of October but then advised my lawyer that they needed more information from my previous company. I dont know what to do, if anyone that has been in something similiar please help me out as ive never been in trouble with the police before.

    • darkpolitricks says

      Well it sounds like if you gave a No Comment they would have to prove you stole the goods and if someone has already admitted it they may just put it all them and NFA the rest of you. However what that other person said in the interview you don’t know until you go (if you do) to court and through discovery get the evidence against you so your barrister/brief can make a defence. It’s a shame you can’t get that info before having to actually go to court though. In interview they just tell you what they want you to know.

  80. LaClown says

    Out of interest, why give them your name, address and birth date?

    You’ve got no reason to do their job for them, right?

    • darkpolitricks says

      You don’t have to as they obviously already know it because your in the nick.

      However it’s just the start of the interview process when they turn the tape recorder on (shows how old I was when I last got nicked), and go round the table saying who is there, the officers names and ranks, the solicitor and yourself. You can choose to ignore it if you want but it’s what they try and do at the start of all interviews.

  81. Illuminati_victim says

    Police called my mobile number and explained I had to come in for questioning as soon as possible. They said they had been round at my property and left a note (I was at work) and sure enough there was a note on the floor, when I returned home.

    How did they get my number and how did they know my address? I have no idea what I am going in for – no crime I can remember anyway. I have read up on the PACE codes, and although DC Farquar said on the phone I was allowed to be detained for up to 12 hours, I read that if you go to a Police Station voluntarily, you are allowed to leave at any time (until you are arrested).

    Of course I am currently looking for defence lawyer assistance here, I feel it is even more important to get legal aid because I do not know what the crime is, until I turn up. It’s difficult to arm yourself with preparation if you don’ know what the enemy is. Hopefully the experts will know the best course of action.

    Anyone been called in for an interview without being told what the crime is, till you arrive?

    • Illuminati_victim says

      fyi, Voluntarily going to a police station is covered by PACE code C ; 3.21 (Page18)

    • darkpolitricks says

      I’ve not been told to come in voluntarily ever apart from when I was at court for something else they wanted to talk to me about a hit and run and I just went round the corner had a 10 minute chat and left with no charge. If you do go in voluntarily they will interview you and you can obviously try and get up to leave but then they might read you a caution and arrest you. It is often used as a ruse just to get you into the building without them having to send people out to get you.

      Remember the Police will be able to get your address from many places including the electoral roll if you are on in it, the council (Council Tax or Rent etc), Income Revenue, Banks and a myriad of other places.

      If they had your phone number it was either in the phone book (if a house phone), if not then you could have entered your mobile number on a hundred websites that are no doubt collated by authorities without our knowledge. Or more likely the other party in whatever crime it is you are supposed to have committed either gave it to them, or had it on their own phone or it was intercepted during some sort of sting operation e.g a call to a drug dealer.

      Who knows in these days of full spectrum dominance when even I can write a program to hack into your laptop to send me screenshots of what you are doing, history of all the websites you have visited including code to crack the “saved” passwords Google Chrome/FF store in their local databases on your computer, video streams from your camera and even listen to you through the microphone if I wanted. For a developer (like I am), it is surprisingly easy if you look into it and for the Police and authorities whose job it is to spy and monitor us all they have the resources and the legal authority to write viruses to be planted on your devices for the purpose of watching what you do.

      Even Smart TVs now come with built in webcams and if you read the Terms and Conditions, can record you without your knowledge and send the data to 3rd parties (supposedly for advertising but they don’t specify which 3rd parties).

      I actually bothered to read the T&C’s when I bought my latest Smart TV this year and it frightened me to death. I opted out of everything I could and if you don’t read your own TV’s terms you might find you are literally being watched like George Orwells Telescreens in his book 1984. THe same goes for Windows 10 if you don’t turn off all the things I suggest in the article on this site about Internet Surveillence it will be a constant monitor of your behaviour and who knows who gets to share the data.

      It is always worth going to see a brief before these sort of things and you should make sure you use a firm who DON’T do duty service at the station as they often get too pally with the officers.

      Of course you can turn up and just listen to what they have to say and the questions they ask you and do a no comment – this is the purpose of the article. Then at least when you leave you know what the crack is and decide whether you want to carry on giving a no comment or make a statement. Just beware that they can always caution you at anytime during the interview and once done they can hold you for much longer than you have been told. If it’s a serious crime they decide to charge you with you could find yourself going in on Friday and spending the whole weekend in the cells until Magistrates open on the Monday when they might attempt to remand you to prison. It all depends on what the crime is and that is your dilema, to think quickly on your feet or do a no comment and let the police do their own work.

      Always remember though that if it was a serious crime they would probably have sent a team of cops to give you a 6 O’Clock knock by now so it cannot be that serious. They don’t ask rapists, murderers and drug dealers to voluntarily visit the Police Station.

      • Illuminati_victim says

        Well I can tell you what my call was abut now.

        A section 2, one down for a Rape. Someone accused me of this. (Interestingly enough, my solicitor said the two most common crimes people are called in for are Ex’s with a chip on their shoulder about some fake assault, and violence at a sports game)

        I got a solicitor and they were brilliant (probably interested in the case too because I had no idea what to expect). One of the First things they recommended was to Never Sign anything which states you have come to be questioned Voluntarily. They explained that if you were down there to be questioned going “voluntarily” allows the Police to legally keep you almost as as long as they want – like you said, they will just caution and detain you if they want to turn a voluntary visit into a forced detention which lasts 12 hours if they like.

        I was not arrested, not sure if this is just a Scottish thing, or because I walked in though the stations front door of my own accord. Probably about an hour after I arrived the solicitor reviewed the evidence, he took about half an hour to get there after being summoned. This was after I was processed and in a cell waiting for him to arrive – I was in luck. I learned in a consultation with the solicitor, the complainer – the person accusing – had no evidence. Obviously because I have never sexually assaulted anyone in my life. and they are lying. As a result I was told I should just answer No Comment to every single question in the interview, no matter what they ask. Without corroboration (2 pieces of evidence) they could not arrest and charge me so I was basically advised to give them nothing in the interview.

        After the concluded the interview the Detectives thanked me for coming down and said they would not be investigating this any further. To anyone else who finds themselves in this kind of situation – Get A Defence Lawyer. It puts your mind at ease and helps you with your case.

  82. noko says

    Interesting fact. I actually found a few weeks back that you can decline to be interviewed, as they’re not allowed to drag you kicking and screaming to the interview room.

    Instead, the police have to bring the interview room to you.

    If they decide not to bother, then adverse inference doesn’t apply as they never asked you questions to begin with. (R vs. Hind (2005))

    • darkpolitricks says

      I have never thought about declining to be interviewed e.g staying in my cell and hopefully I won’t ever have to think about it again but if true then it’s interesting.

      • noko says

        It’s more of a recent thing apparently.

        Source of my information: http://crimebodge.com/your-right-to-refuse-a-police-interview/

        • darkpolitricks says

          I would have thought if I refused to be interviewed they would either have dragged me after a few truncheon wacks (seems to be the way of old) or they would bring the tape recorder and brief into my cell to be interviewed which seems to be the way now

          • Dominic says

            Heya… Police officer here.

            If someone refuses to do an interview, which people occasionally do, we interview in the cell. The cell’s CCTV can be downloaded if it needs a showing in court. The relevant code of practice is Code C of PACE, section 12.5.

            Hope that helps,

            Dom

  83. Jake says

    IN Austalia, when i asked for a lawyer when the interview began, one police officer then said Terminating Interview, then the other police officer left the room to apparently go get a lawyer, then the remaining cop slapped me around and strangled me and told me they were going to beat me up unless I confessed.

    • darkpolitricks says

      Doesn’t surprise me by the quality and stature of the male bully/victimhood experienced child who joins the Police.

  84. Chris Anthony says

    So another 6 months later and still no update from Police or CPS. No longer on police bail – nor any of the other accused – but still no court dates from CPS. We’ve been waiting for or should say assuming we’d have got summons through post by now… Police only take you off police bail for 2 reasons, either they will summons by post or they are expecting an NFA result from CPS. Unfortunately we’ve no way of knowing until we get one or other, guess life is still on hold for the moment. Has anyone ever been in this situation before? Got told by a former office that we may never get an NFA from CPS and we may just never hear anything from Police again? Surely they must either end the investigation by way of NFA or charges? I’m completely confused :s

    • darkpolitricks says

      Only thing I can think of is that some cop is hassling CPS not to throw it out yet otherwise you should have had an NFA. I had to go to local magistrates to get my bail conditions lifted when I was on police bail for a year. Every month for a year, court for them to twiddle with conditions and check you hadn’t breached them. Long before ankle bracelets etc. Never heard of such a long time waiting though.

      • Chris Anthony says

        Sounds like you might be right. The detective is a real a-hole. Most cops I’ve come across are harsh, it is their job after all but this guy takes the title, even my brief said he’s not come across one thats such a p****! I kind of feel like I’m in a game of first one who moves loses, like their waiting for us to get frustrated and contact them asking whats going on so they can turn up the pressure again. More fool them, I’m staying quiet no matter what!

      • turner1973 says

        Hi,this might sound a daft question but if you cant remember the number of your solicitor att eh police station what should you do,as I don’t suppose they will give you a phone book,would it be wise to get a duty solicitor to start off and when you get out of police station then contact your preferred solicitor?

        • darkpolitricks says

          I’d guess first off ask, they usually give you a card but I would say avoid duty solicitors at all cost.

          If your worried, go now to a phone book and look up solicitors for the kind of case you need, ring them up, ask their fees, ask if they charge for arrest interviews, and also ask if they ever do duty work for the cops.

          I know 3 solicitors who split and left their old company to start a new one purely because they didn’t like the new management who wanted them to do to duty work and they knew (they were the oldest), that their “customers” wouldn’t call for them if they did.

          They took a lot of business.

          • turner1973 says

            Hi thanks I have found a company that are local they do legal and I have heard they are good they do legal aid,they also do police station visits when you need them but are not duty solicitors,I am shit with numbers but apparently if you give the duty sargeant the name of the firm they will ring them for you or at least give you the number,thanks

          • darkpolitricks says

            Glad you found your answer, remember to take a card off your brief when he turns up as well so if you need them again you can easily contact them.

  85. turner1973 says

    Are bullying and beatings rife in prison?So if your attacked you have to fight back hard so you don’t look soft,would that guy have it in for you after that or do they move on to the next guy?

    • darkpolitricks says

      So you want prison tips do you?
      First time is it?
      And you want some tips…..well off top of head.
      Try and stay out of trouble, keep to yourself, but don;t act a pussy. If someone takes something off you demand it back don’t let them get away with mugging you off.
      If someone comes and starts on you it’s prob coz his own crew told him to do so for “fun”. If you have to fight you got to put it all in so people don’t want to mess with you.
      If you got time b4 going in read and practise some Krav Maga (IDF use it) you can practise moves at home as some they won’t let you do in class e.g no sparring, others like TKD, Karate, BJJ do depends how much time you have some real life experience is good.
      If you’ve never done martial arts fake it til you make it LOL, always stand at a sideways on agle so less to aim n hit at.
      Also if you do kickboxing or can side kick then remember its not a comp, get your sidekicks on the knees n nuts n guts. Elbows are stronger than hands that break easily and once dazed a few head buts finishes em off. Alternate blows if possible.
      Try to always look at him in his eyes whilst making little flicks with your knees n feet so he doesn’t know what you are planning. If your not a kickboxer maybe you can trick them you are LOL. Raise your leg as if your about to kick him and as he looks down swipe him with a cross elbow so your hands don’t break. Less to hit side stance plus when they come raise front leg n stamp it hard down on his thigh/knee. If you get on the floor and your on the back wrap your legs over the front of him to crush him and then put him to sleep with a sleeper hold If on the top rally down a load of forearms onto his head. If you try a sleeper hold standing up e.g your behind, put your knee in base of his spine so hes leaning backwards helps with the strangulation. This is to get you not KO’d ASAP or stabbed in the shower but might end you up in the block and that might be good to get away for a bit. Obv you don;t want to piss the wrong people off.

      If you do him over you should get some respect if also time down the block but when you come out you will have some kudos as well as probably another lot of people who want to fight you. Just remember you don’t start fights – keep your head down. You only fight if your started on. If you can get in with someone who knows the crack and has pull without being treated like a joey then that’s good but don’t let yourself get mugged off. Hard first time but just stick up for yourself and don’t walk around not noticing people, especially people coming towards you fiddling in their pockets etc. A chiv could be about to be passed to someone so keep eyes open.

      So stay down and watch who runs things, who chats shit about getting anything you want and who can walk around silently and everyone shows respect etc. Spend as much time as possible in classes if they have them and reading up on esoteric books and classics, philosophy if they have them and so on. Sun Tzu Art of War and The Prince by Machiavelli, those 2 might help you out inside. the prince and doing exercise – don’t let the time go to waste – a good library.

      • turner1973 says

        cheers,how do you keep your stuff safe in cell if you and your cell mate have to leave the cell att he same time for what ever reason

        • darkpolitricks says

          Well the only real way is to get on very very well with your cell mates. So they won’t nick anything and if you’re out and others come in then they won’t let your stuff get nicked.

          If you are getting robbed and bullied or even sexully assaulted then ask to go on the 43s they are the protection wing full of nonces and you will get a name for going on them but at least you won’t get chived over a pair of sneakers.

          Depends on your crime, how you get on with people, can you fight, do you have it in you to go looking for revenge if something did get stolen and do you want a quiet life. Try and chip out an old victorian brick wall as so many of ours are old and put private things like love letters n photos there. Or keep the valuable things on you all the time, even up your anus if needs be.

          I don’t know what kind of things you are talking about but kinder eggs slot up the back entrance very nicely. Learn to write and read very small writing so you can fold up tiny notes ans hide them under lights or in plastic bags in the cistern of the bog etc. The boys in your cell will tell you the best spots. but just beware of random drug searches. Some people sleep an go through whole day with an OZ or more up there so it can be done.

          • turner1973 says

            cheers don’t suppose you could stay on that section 43 wing full time though and probably would get battered when I get back to the main population,Im going to be done for fraud/theft soon,feel like topping myself to avoid prison,hope to snap out of this mindset though

          • darkpolitricks says

            You shouldn’t get labelled a nonce but maybe a pussy but then once out who cares as long as you weren’t harmed or banged up with a sicko.

            Keep your head down, try and find something that other people – harder people – would find amusing e.g if you are good at jokes or magic tricks something to keep them off you and on your side.

            Also remember when that first fight does come in general no top dog is going to do it himself and why would he if you haven’t pissed him off. Just don’t come across as too easy, giving your food away and seeing it as generosity, others will see it as weakness.

            If people ask you stuff, say “what do you want to know for” or “why you asking” especially about your crime. Rumours fly round wings. So if some butter nut does try it on remember kick to the knee and then elbow to the head. Practise in front of a mirror or take up some classes if you have time. Nothing like real one on one experience and believe it or not its all in the head. You psych them out your half way there e.g eyeball them don’t back down and do what you have to – to survive – but don’t do that – if you get my drift otherwise you might as well be on the 43s.

            Keeping to yourself and being friendly to anyone who talks to you but don’t let yourself get mugged off. There’s prob an online book called “Surviving Prison” you should get.

          • turner1973 says

            cheers just hope I don’t get padded up with a pair of bullys or phycos,what the fuck can you do then?

          • turner1973 says

            Do you eat in your cell in most prisons,and are they mostly 2 or 3 bed cells,I suppose it’s total pot luck as to be putting in the same pad as a nutter that could kill you in the cell,but hope that doesn’t happen too often,if you dont get on what can you do about it

          • darkpolitricks says

            You can eat in your cell if you want. Go down at breakfast take whats left and then go back to your cell.

            Its not the 80’s anymore where Prison wardens let heroin onto the wings on mass to keep people quiet and no riots.

            If your good you get noticed and the better at staying out of trouble the more privileges you get like TVs and Playstations in your cell. Kettles and tea bags and munch, It’s not like a bare old police cell.

            If you are feeling depressed during the first few weeks they will send you for psych eval and nearly everyone I know gets put on those Mirtazapine anti-depressants, but read up on them first.

            They are fluoride / fluorine based so they basically dumb you down and stop you complaining just like they did in the water at the concentration camps and then Russia did in the Gulags. Be careful they can screw your head up, OCD, and also make you very fat. Depends on whether you want to be monged out or not.

          • turner1973 says

            Do you eat in your cell in most prisons,and are they mostly 2 or 3 bed cells,I suppose it’s total pot luck as to be putting in the same pad as a nutter that could kill you in the cell,but hope that doesn’t happen too often,if you dont get on what can you do about it

          • darkpolitricks says

            It’s pot luck really. If the screw taking you to your cell is an asshole he might throw you in with some very nice people. However it depends on where the spaces are.

            Just remember to be nice to your new cell mates but don’ t let them mug you off. It’s a hard rope to balance but depends on your crime.

            Usually there are drug free wings for people trying to stay off drugs with regular checks and tests and courses etc The more time you can spend by signing up to courses or work the better plus the time will go quicker. Most prisons are still old Victorian prisons which are overcrowded and dirty. A one man cell is now a 3/4 man cell with 2 bunk beds.

            Modern prisons are a lot better with electric gates, and depending if you are at a cat 1 or cat 3 prison the rules and hecticness changes. Open prisons are usually kept for rich, white collar crime and fraudsters and you can get most things in them. Plus it’s more relaxed, TVS in cells and more groups.

            Just don’t get pissed on XMAS day like at FORD Open Prison a few years back and set it on fire. You will only lose privileges.

          • turner1973 says

            How do showers work,do you walk from your pad to the shower with towel on over your pants and then wash wearing your pants then take them off in your cell,and how do you go about taking your pants off in cell without offending anyone,do you just turn away from them or do it under a dressing gown?

          • turner1973 says

            can you tell me How do showers work,do you walk from your pad to the shower with towel on over your pants and then wash wearing your pants then take them off in your cell,and how do you go about taking your pants off in cell without offending anyone,do you just turn away from them or do it under a dressing gown?

      • turner1973 says

        So does everyone have to keep their court paperwork with them then even if they are found guilty and wont be going back to court again,will people demand to look at this? I don’t know why you have to have this paperwork with you,I wont be being done for any sexual crimes,what should you say if anyone wants to see your paperwork,if asked by anyone whats your crime,what is the best thing to reply,maybe I should say “just something stupid but nothing for anyone else to worry about”?

        Thanks for your help by the way,it has helped me to relax,I had felt like a coiled spring

      • turner1973 says

        Hi what happens if a right hard bastard asks for stuff from your cell,how would a soft target like me approach that?I dont do drugs or smoke so would hope that helps me stay of the radar but I assume people would try and rob your canteen stuff,I will be a first timer,so I suppose I will get a load of shit

        • Dark Politricks says

          Yes, you will get shit especially if you show weakness, if they spot it they will bully you. How long u got before going down. I would be practising MMA moves from YouTube with a mate right now and bulking up as much as you can. Shave your hair short as pos.

          If you are on a long stretch get a tear drop tattooed under your eye so ppl thing you have killed some one 🙂

          You could always go into the mess hall first day, get your dinner, then go to the hardset looking biggest meanest mother fucka and give it to him and tell him he could have your pudding every day if he protects you OR pay some one. Lots of people pay hard nuts for protection inside, whether through baccy, drugs, mobile phones. It’s whether you want to look like a pussy asking in first place if you do – one on one – but remember – practise look em in the eyes whist kicking their knee away and as they fall a palm to the face or an elbow to the head to put him on the floor so you can stamp on him is a good technique. Practise makes perfect I got a 6ft free standing kick bag if you want to buy it to practise let me know

  86. Anon says

    I have recently been arrested and accused of groping on a train network. They have CCTV images of me on the platform at around the times the crime has been reported, however no image of me committing the accused crime. The police tried the usual scare tactics, however I upheld a no comment interview throughout. One of the girls claims she knows me from a dating app, and I think she will be viewing me via an ID Parade. I have currently been released on bail until the 15th Feb, however I have the ID parade next Wednesday. I have had a solicitor with me throughout. I don’t think there is enough evidence there to show that I have done anything, which I haven’t. What do you think the likely result will be? Bearing in mind I have had no dealings with police in the past, and it is currently their word against mine.

    • Anon says

      any answer to this?

      • darkpolitricks says

        Best get a good solicitor.
        You don’t know if there were CCTV hidden somewhere like normal trains or she or someone else made a statement these are all things that come out in discovery but then you are on the way to court if that happens.
        If they haven’t charged you by now but still on Police Bail then that is a long time but then I was on bail (no money put up and old bill round house to check on me every night) for a year so they play games to mess with your head.

        Find a non police duty working solicitor firm and get a consultation ASAP. Preferably lose your job for a few months so you can get legal aid 🙂 it could cost a lot and if you lose you pay her costs as well.

        I don’t know the ins and out of the case or how good the evidence is but you will only find that out through interviews and court proceedings.

        • Anon says

          so I have been rebailed after the initial bail. Just a quick review on whats happened so far. I took part in an ID parade, there were two complainants, one had found me on FB, the other was unknown to me. My solicitor managed to get my first ID parade cancelled, the girl who found me on FB, and the second complainant, did not pick me out of the ID parade. I have been rebailed, and my solicitor has told me that the police have finished their investigation and are liaising with the CPS on what to do next. Do the points surrounding the ID parades work in my favour? Is it still likely to go to court or just dropped?

          • Anon says

            any chance on a reply on this please!

  87. JimMerseyside says

    Great article and comment so many thanks. I have been asked to come into be interviewed under Caution L3 in relation to an incident where I was in an argument on a bus with a bus driver in Liverpool. He has made it out to be much worse than it was – accused me of shouting racial abuse (I didn’t, but the argument was still unpleasant). There is CCTV of course but that just shows me on the bus – driver was in his cab. My lawyer says it is my word vs his in court and I could be convicted on this basis – surely this isn’t right, how could the burden of proof of beyond reasonable doubt be obtained in this case? Presumably if the police had the evidence to charge they would have done it – so shouldn’t I just keep quiet at the interview?

    • Dark Politricks says

      I would have done a no comment. The other team have no idea what your excuse it. One mans word v the other will probably all come down to who they think is more honest in the box, who speaks betters, who describes events more clearly and had a clear view of what happened. Also racist jurors may play a part.

      • turner1973 says

        Hi if you get prescribed Mirtazapine in prison is it likely to get nicked by other inmates,it sounds like you have to fight everyone just to keep hold of wahts yours,so you have to always back your corner and keep hold of your stuff even if the guy is a hard nut,oh and how long could you stay on seg for if you were getting bullied,as if it was only for a couple of weeks surely you would still have to face them on return to a normal wing,so if you are very much on the shit and on the verge of topping yourself,it will be acceptable to tell a warden that you are being bullied but obviously not mention names,and how would you go about talkign to him without everyone else listening,thanks

        • darkpolitricks says

          Well thats the problem, you grass to ANYONE and you’re a grass and better watch out in the showers. If you cause a wing raid due to you saying some1 had stolen your gear you would be hated due to all the other contraband found. Most people who want Mirtazapine get it by just going to the doctor and saying they are depressed so don’t worry about that too much (usually newbies), plus they will make you take it in front of them.

          You will be surprised how many stash places there are in a cell.

          • turner1973 says

            Thanks for your time,how long can you stay on seg for if you ask to be put there?

      • JimMerseyside says

        Hi, thanks for your response. I got a lawyer who said that likely No Comment would be the way to go. Seeing the police tomorrow so lets see – the lady police officer was very nice on the phone, but clearly I need to have wits about me. Worryingly my lawyer says it could all boil down to his word vs mine – even without any other evidence or witnesses. That shouldn’t be how the law operates – how can that possibly be beyond reasonable doubt?

        by the way, how long have the police got to charge you after an alleged incident takes place?

        • darkpolitricks says

          Well the reasonable doubt comes from “how can you believe defendant A” over “accuser B” if all we have to go is there word and no witnesses. Usually cases that are her word v mine are thrown out. Just stick to solicitors advice (get her to endorse the site 🙂 I will put an advert up for her firm in the article for a small fee seeing so many people seem to come to this page) – and just try and stay calm. Only answer the question put to you do not expand on it. Expanding leads to mistakes and forgetting what you were going to say. Just answer Yes / No / Cannot recall

          • JimMerseyside says

            So I went and had my caution + 3. Turns out there were no witnesses, and the police lady was very sceptical at what the guy had claimed I said. My solicitor had said beforehand, this is not a friendly chat, we will likely go no comment. But we got in the room and the CCTV was pretty unclear and the guy had made up something so stupid all I needed to do was tell my side and say No – didn’t say that. So immediate decision NFA. Good feeling. ironically if the guy had been honest about what I had said I might have been more in trouble – but what I said wasn’t in any way racist, so would have been less of a big deal for police I guess.

          • darkpolitricks says

            So did you get that good feeling from getting your NFA?

  88. tom says

    i have recently been called by the police, somebody has made an allegation about me.

    About something that supposedly happened almost a year ago. The police say i fit the description of the accused and that they want to interview me and do a v.i.p.e.r test.

    Do i even have to do any of these things if they haven’t arrested me?
    Also i read that a v.i.p.e.r test is voluntary anyway, but could look bad for you if you refuse to do one.
    I will definitely be getting my own brief if i have to go in for an interview and will ask them these questions, but i have just come across this page and thought i would ask you 1st!!

  89. Tom says

    Hi darkpoilitrick, first of all will like to thanks you for this forum because i have red some of the comment related to my case and i have seen lots of testimonies. Here is my own case police came to my house Oct 2016 with search warrant from theft and fraud unit they got a report from bus station tickets been punched with cloned credit cards from different countries and they cart away with my laptop and my wife laptop my plus our 2 phone and 2 small £20 Samsung phone in one of those phones which belong to me they found some tickets in it, although i can confess here that i did some of the tickets but i told the police we are bought the ticket at cheaper rate from someone else, since last year they never called me until about a month or two ago they called my wife for an interview which she told them the same story that we bought the tickets she even go the extent of claiming the owner of that my phone that its belong to her because police focused on me that it was done by me even when they have not find any evidence, they have cctv of me and my family members and they thought the phone was mine which indeed it was, but i dont have it with me at the time it was on the table because in that phone there are many tickets in it to cut the story short i got called two days ago and i give ‘no comment’ every tones of questions they ask but my concern now is i did not claim owner of the laptops because they might find something in it, now i want to know could this mean because they haven’t got enough evidence that why they called me for interviewed or what?. even my solicitor to me to answer ‘no comment’

    • darkpolitricks says

      I am not sure what you are asking as you gave the cops a comment interview then wisely on the advice of your brief gave a no comment. Without something on the two laptops saying this is mine and this is X’s then they cannot link them to you, so were hoping you would say “yes that is my laptop”. Just don’t do the polices work for you and even more evidence that briefs will tell you to do “no comment interviews”

    • darkpolitricks says

      Always go no comment. Lock your computer and phone with a complex password and if possible encrypt them like Ransomware viruses do. Refuse to give the police the password. Let them try and play but put as many security nets in as possible. Someone I know encrypted his phone and the police demanded his password he said “no there are private and sexual texts on there I don’t want you to see” also the person sending you the text should have a right to privacy. He got away with it. Always go no comment – let the fat donut eating bullies do some work for once. Go after rapists and murderers not waste tax payers money on small time dealers and a stolen chocolate bar by a homeless man.

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