It was about the various torture techniques used by the Americans during the early years of the “war on terror” on certain “high level detainees”in places such as Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib.
This of course included water boarding as well as playing the same loud song over and over again so that the prisoner could not concentrate as well as stress positions and humiliation.
1st Torture Test – Locked In Box in a tress position as loud music is played inwards at you constantly
One of the first “enhanced interrogation techniques” that was used on the BBC presenter was for her to be locked in an uncomfortable position into a small cramped black box for a number of minutes as loud music was pumped in to make the experience even more unconformable. It was a bit like being a magicians assistant without the benefits of being able to rest your feet or hands properly.
Within 10 minutes the BBC presenter couldn’t handle it and had the luxury of being able to “knock out” to get herself removed from the box. As she clambered out of the box she told the camera that after that she would have told the people carrying out the torture anything to get herself out of that box.
The next integration was the infamous “water boarding”, and along with the initial “jack in the box” stress position test, it was designated by the George W Bush White House as NOT being torture.
This was the legal team that came up with the infamous “torture memos” created by such brilliant legal minds as John Woo, Alberto Gonzales, General Ashcroft and General Jay S. Bybee who all told the CIA at certain times that techniques widely regarded as torture e.g mental and physical torment and coercion such as prolonged sleep deprivation, binding in stress positions and waterboarding were all legally permissible during the “War on Terror”.
I suppose when you are the most powerful country in the world and will in fact use military force to free anyone sent to the ICC the International Criminal Court (ICC) you can basically do what you like. All 3 countries have certainly been busy ignoring the court over the last 15 years which was designed to “bring to justice the perpetrators of the worst crimes known to humankind – war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide”, especially when national courts are unable or unwilling to do so!
This would have been a great case for Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and co to be arrested, taken to the Hague and tried under the same international laws that he USA helped create after World War II at Nuremberg.
Waterboarding can cause extreme pain, dry drowning, damage to lungs, brain damage from oxygen deprivation, other physical injuries including broken bones due to struggling against the restraints, lasting psychological damage, and even death! If this wasn’t classed by the Bush legal team as torture I don;t know what would. The only thing they could do would be to stoop even lower to the types of inhumane degradation that Islamic State carry out when they dress their victims up in the same orange jump suits that the prisoners at GITMO wear.
I wonder why ISIS would do that?
Well it’s perfectly clear actually, as a commentator stated on the programme. ISIS are copying the degrading treatment that their own prisoners get at the hands of the Americans in GITMO. Locked in cages as the inmates just as the prisoners at GITMO are, dressed in orange jumpsuits and blindfolded.
Islamic State are making a statement when they do this – you treat our Muslim brothers (most who were at Gitmo turned out to be innocent) like caged animals and we will do the same to our prisoners.
2nd Torture Test – Water Boarding
Anyway after the first torture test – the stress test with loud music locked in an uncomfortable box – the main presenter didn’t want to get involved in the 2nd test and another one of the Panorama team stepped up instead. The Torture must have been too much for her to bear.
The 2nd test was to be water boarded. This is where water is poured over a cloth which covers your face and the breathing passages of the detainee. This causes the person to experience the sensation of drowning even though they aren’t.
The Panorama team member was tied to a board and had a cloth put over his face as water was passed over his face constantly. He was coughing and spluttering and was in obvious discomfort.
Whilst he was being water boarded he was constantly being shouted at about whether or not he was in fact a “Bunny Rabbit”. Obviously he wasn’t and the idea was for the reporter to hold on as long as possible and say “No of course not”. However within a minute the reporter was shouting back “Yes”, “Yes I am a Bunny Rabbit” until the torture stopped.
After a few minutes at the most he begged to get off and they let him spend some time hurling up water and from his mouth and nose as he explained to the main presenter how he would have said anything to get them to stop the torture on him.
Does Torture Work
Of course there are those people who think “enhanced interrogation techniques” were perfectly within the law (only because they wrote it!), and that because of them they saved hundreds of American and other lives through their use by gathering important intelligence from detainees who were tortured.
Of course 99.99% of these people have not experienced the water boarding technique themselves so they cannot claim to know whether they themselves would blab about any terrorist plot they didn’t know anything about or just hold on due to some sado-masochist reasons as alleged 9.11 plotter KSM allegedly did.
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed the alleged ringleader and alleged plotter of the 9.11 attacks that have caused World War III
Apparently KSM who was water boarded 183 times during March 2003, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed did not divulge actionable intelligence until at least 2006 and withheld any actionable intelligence for 3 years. In fact he got so used to the torture that he used to use his hand to show to the CIA Torturers the time left he had, counting down until they had to stop as they didn’t want to kill him. It seemed he got used to the torture in the end once he realised they would not kill him.
In fact many of the people who ended up being tortured gave up real actionable intelligence before being locked in boxes, tied in gurney and half drowned through normal professional interrogation techniques.
Responsible for the 9/11 operation, from A to Z, as well as to decapitating Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl, taking responsibility for the shoe bombing attempt by Richard Reid, the Bali nightclub bombing, the 1993 World Trade Center attack and a number of other attacks and attempted attacks that did not play out,
With this false intelligence the CIA was gathering from the “Bunny Rabbit”, their close partner the UK, who denied knowledge that they knew the Americans were using Torture despite multiple ex Gitmo detainees claiming to have seen MI6 agents hand the interrogators questions to be asked to them. Plus the cases of at least two people trying to sue the government for their rendition and torture including Binyam Mohamed, a UK citizen tortured and secretly flown to Guantánamo Bay, and the abduction of Abdel Hakim Belhaj and Sami-al-Saadi, two prominent Libyan dissidents, and their families, who were flown to Tripoli in 2004 where they were tortured by Muammar Gaddafi’s secret police.
It didn’t help after the British Embassy in Tripoli was bombed during war that we joined the rebels in overthrowing Gadaffi that hundreds of pieces of paper were found all over the floor that described secret memos including our involvement in Belhaj’s torture.
The documents, marked ‘UK Secret’, were found in the abandoned British Embassy in Tripoli after the revolt that consisted of long lists of questions and background intelligence that MI5 and MI6 asked Libyan interrogators to put to Mr Belhadj during sessions where he claims he was being tortured.
A letter from an MI6 officer refers to Abdel Hakim Belhaj’s rendition to Libya. It congratulates the Libyans on the “safe arrival” of the “air cargo”.
Jack Straw who was Home Secretary at the time denies that the UK had any involvement in US rendition or torture. However Mr Belhaj says he was tortured in jail and a BBC correspondent, Peter Taylor, says he understands Mr Belhaj’s rendition was given ministerial approval.
Now that we have destroyed Africa’s wealthiest nation, the country with the highest life expectancy and GDP per capita on the continent, a once prosperous country with a free health service, where you were given a free house when you got married, oil being shared amongst the people and fewer people living below the poverty line than in the Netherlands – we are turning our hand up and saying “sort yourself out”.
This is a country where the government only commands a section of the country, where it has to meet on boats to prevent terrorist attacks and where tribal feuds that simmered for centuries under the pot but never boiled over under Gaddafi’s rule are now ruining the country. Even ISIS controls a portion of it on the coastline.
This is where thousands upon thousands of poor people from Libya, Somalia, Yemen and the rest of the world we have helped destroy try to get to the “continent paved with worthless €’s”. Little do they realise we are all skint, indebted to the moon and back and have racist gangs in every country waiting to greet these people with a little more than a handshake.
Libyan refugees risk death to flee their war-torn country
People smugglers take advantage of desperate people in the Mediterranean
Criminal gangs send thousands of people over the Mediterranean in dangerous boats in the hope of reaching the EU, usually stuffing them into weak boats that are then set adrift in the hope that EU Navy boats will rescue them. Then if any of these refugees are lucky enough to get to Calais or the UK we them away despite the fact we turned their once prosperous country into a hell hole.
French police fight migrants desperate to get to the UK at the Eurotunnel site at Calais
However we all know the axis of war is about destroying countries not rebuilding them. That takes time and effort. It’s much easier to just bomb from the air and torture captured combatants (whether real or not), to see what useful information they may have.
The CIA extracted false information about a terrorist plot against the UK from their new al-Qaeda mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammedwho was spilling the beans on every kind of attack imaginable to man. 99% of these claims turned out to be false such as the UK plot on Heathrow airport and London’s Canary Wharf.
They passed the information onto the UK and Tony Blair sent in the tanks to “protect” the airport. It was more hilarious than scary.
However they then used this to justify more use of waterboarding, the US Senate intelligence committee report on the CIA’s use of torture concluded.
So why did KSM admit to so many crimes that he obviously did not commit? Was he in fact a “Bunny Rabbit?”
If so why are we believing the ones that may have some speck of partial truth in them whilst ignoring the blatant lies which anyone who knows about torture will tell you that you will come up with to stop it. Lies such as the 1993 bombing of the WTC or the Shoe Bombing by Richard Reid?
As KSM continues to rot away at Gitmo after giving real actionable intelligence ONLY under sophisticated non-coercive persuasion favored by professional interrogators. The US is determined to try him for “conspiracy, murder in violation of the law of war, attacking civilians, attacking civilian objects, intentionally causing serious bodily injury, destruction of property in violation of the law of war, hijacking aircraft and terrorism” – they also seeking the death penalty for the near 3,000 people killed in the Sept. 11 attacks.
If you didn’t watch the episode details are below but I just wanted to remind you of an old English Legal Rule that determined commoners could not be believed to tell the truth unless torture had been carried out on them.
Another term would be “trial by ordeal” you can read about the three ordeals here.
Ordeal by fire. An accused person held a red-hot iron bar and walked three paces. His hand was then bandaged and left for three days. If the wound was getting better after three days, you were innocent. If the wound had clearly not got any better, you were guilty.
Ordeal by water. An accused person was tied up and thrown into water. If you floated you were guilty of the crime you were accused of.
Ordeal by combat. This was used by noblemen who had been accused of something. They would fight in combat with their accuser. Whoever won was right. Whoever lost was usually dead at the end of the fight.
It seems little has changed in this day and age of black site prisons, offshore sites like Gitmo and Israel/Gaza where international law doesn’t apply for some reason and of course all the people coming forward with their complaints of torture by the CIA and MI5/MI6.
Putin’s aim to wipe out Europe as it learns of UK first strike policy
By Dark Politricks
This is based on an old article but it’s still very relevant. The reason I am posting is that we used to used Kaspersky Anti Virus Tools at our work, Our old CTO didn’t agree with that decision and called it a big back door for Russian Intelligence – he may have been right all along.
Anyway I installed it on one of my laptops and then the tool Wireshark which lets you sniff certain data packets e.g TCP/IP and web traffic etc. I even used this tool to catch my old man out having a dalliance with a certain woman behind my Mums back.
I installed it on their router then watched all the old Microsoft Messenger messages that used to be sent in plain text go out and back into their computer. A very good reason to encrypt your messaging service if not built-in already I’d say. If not install Wireshark and see how much of your traffic is going out in plain text, it’s pretty easy to setup and you will see if the data is readable or not!
Just being able to see the amount of plain text traffic going in and out was amazing in itself but what astonished me was the number of requests to IP addresses in Sweden and other countries that didn’t seem to be necessary. Almost every few seconds an HTTPS request to a location near Russia was bein sent out, what it was sending I have no idea, but I thought it was strange as I know instant virus analysis is done by local databases of definitions so that it’s quick and each file that is accessed can be analysed quickly.
The sender was Kapsersky itself. Why they were sending out so much traffic to other servers located elsewhere when anti-virus tools download new virus definitions before scans. These definitions hold all the “virus patterns” of what to look for.
Your antivirus software relies on virus definitions to detect malware. That’s why it automatically downloads new, updated definition files – once a day or even more often. The definition files contain signatures for viruses and other malware that have been encountered in the wild. When an antivirus program scans a file and notices that the file matches a known piece of malware, the antivirus program stops the file from running, putting it into “quarantine.”
Therefore when reverse DNS checks and lookups on the IPs that the traffic was going to gave me nothing interesting but the location – countries near Sweden I had to think twice about what was going on.
I know that the US/UK cyber geeks from the NSA/GCHQ put sophisticated tools in the main routers in Sweden to capture data going out of Russia.
The reason being is that a lot of Russian traffic does go out through these lines and on the other side of the vast empty regions of Russia where very little Internet cables lie, nearly all the Chinese cables pass through US controlled areas like Japan or various islands before reaching the US West coast.
So as at the moment most of the big tech companies, Internet shopping sites and other sites visited by people online are in the US e.g Amazon, Facebook, Google, Twitter etc; Internet traffic is going to go through the quickest available routes that enter the USA. Pinpointing these key routes so that traffic can be analysed as Snowden revealed is key and both sides of this new cold war have been at it.
Therefore if the US/UK wanted to listen in to all traffic coming out of Russia they would either do it at Sweden when it leaves at its earliest point or in the UK, at one of the major points our cables leave our shores to go off under the Atlantic to the USA. I’m sure these soft targets are high on any Russian nuclear strike or Terrorist attack plan if they wanted to disrupt international communications.
The same goes in reverse though. If Russia wanted to see any traffic going back to them or wanted to divert such traffic they would send it to the nearest place near their countries borders where proxy servers could then send them on e.g Sweden, Estonia, Latvia, Ukraine etc.
Therefore the Russian cyber defence squads were right to team up with one of the best “anti-virus” tool programmers in diverting traffic from the US and UK all the way through Russian controlled areas where it could be analysed before it reached its destination.
The best anti-virus tools ranked in order
The following map will show you how our Internet in Europe is laid out and where it enters and leaves Russia and the UK as well as the opposite side where the cables leave China. You will then see the logic in sending traffic to Sweden for any analysis by the US or Russia.
The Internet cables leaving Europe and China. The last Pacific cable cost $300 million!
This is the article I read which caused me to write this piece. I
It’s called Russia Warns “State Of War” Exists As UK Nukes Prepare First Strike from May and is worth reading.
Putins Cyber Defence Units Pick Up On UK First Nuclear Strike Policy On Russia
The Ministry of Defense (MoD) is reporting today that the Federation is now in a “state of war” thus bringing to full activation President Putin’s “Dead Hand” nuclear order issued 29 July 2014 to The Strategic Missile Forces (SMF).
According to this report, the full activation of the much feared “Dead Hand” nuclear option was authorized under President Putin’s previous order due to the discovery that the nuclear forces of the United Kingdom (UK) were preparing a first strike against military and civilian targets located in the Federation.
Both the FSB and Kaspersky Lab experts, the MoD reports, were able to swiftly reverse engineer the computer code(s) involved in this massive NSA spying operation which then enabled them to electronically obtain the launching codes and coordinates of all the UK’s nuclear weapons showing their plan to launch a first strike against the Federation during the week of 15 March.
For the past week, something strange has been going on in the European internet. For five days, web traffic from Texas to certain addresses in the UK has been routed through Ukrainian and Russian telecoms, taking a detour thousands of miles out of the way. Network traffic often takes a circuitous route as a result of network congestion or interconnection difficulties, but neither one would be enough to account for these routes. Instead, this was the result of a bad route announced by Ukraine’s Vega telecom, inserting itself in between.
It’s particularly disconcerting because of the sensitive nature of many of the sites involved. Among the dozens of sites involved was the UK’s Atomic Weapons Establishment, which is tasked with managing and delivering the UK’s nuclear warheads, as well as the UK’s official mail service, the Royal Mail. US defense contractor Lockheed Martin was also running a VPN connection that was caught up in the redirection.
[Ed. Note: Western governments and their intelligence services actively campaign against the information found in these reports so as not to alarm their citizens about the many catastrophic Earth changes and events to come, a stance that the Sisters of Sorcha Faal strongly disagrees with in believing that it is every human beings right to know the truth. Due to our missions conflicts with that of those governments, the responses of their ‘agents’ against us has been a longstanding misinformation/misdirection campaign designed to discredit and which is addressed in the report “Who Is Sorcha Faal?”.]
I’ve just watched the BBC debate on the Politics Show between the 4 Labour Leader hopefuls and I seriously hope Jeremy Corbyn wins the election for Labours new leader. The other 3 are just Blairite bland stand for nothing polititicans for life. They think the Tories are on the right track, they just won’t cut as fast.
The national debt is at £1.2 trillion and rising. Amazing isn’t it when all we hear from the Tories is that the deficit is dropping and we are doing well as an economy, maybe we need a bailout next. I can’t see Germany granting us a penny let alone £500 bn.
What does this tell me.
That austerity has not worked.
Removing Tax Credits, keeping people in low paid jobs or unemployed means they are not paying tax, and the Government is paying out in social security.
The attacks on “scroungers” and welfare dodgers are just plain right wing BS. The biggest proportion of our social security bill goes on Pensions and the Tories are not going to do anything to annoy their major constituency are they?
Not that they could do much. The pension we get isn’t exactly a king’s ransom for a life time working your ass off and free bus passes and other little trinkets don’t do much to reward the workers who saw us through the post war years.
If it was up to me, all bus travel would be free (or much cheaper than it is), it would take cars off the road, and reduce pollution. If the government were serious about things like the environment and reducing car use then they would be seriously considering measures like this, Call it socialism if you want but then ask an American if they want to remove Medicare, Food Stamps, Schools and other “socialist” measures and they will shoot the roof down.
Here in the UK we don’t need our two main parties, now that the Lib Dems are an irrelevancy, being pro-austerity, pro-bankster, pro-US foreign policy, pro-EU, pro-Troika attacks on Greece and other neo-con, neo-liberal, failed policies. We are kidding ourselves if we think people don’t want a real choice when it comes to elections.
I want a PROPER left-wing party to oppose the RIGHT wing party in power right now so that people have a REAL choice when they go and vote and it’s not just over the speed of cuts to our schools and libraries but a real ideological divide that makes you think where your head and heart lies.
As one form of the famous quote goes “A man who is not a Liberal at sixteen has no heart; a man who is not a Conservative at sixty has no head.”
I’d say it’s natural to become more conservative as you get older. My Dad certainly has, he’s turned into a bloody Daily Mail reader!
Technology changes, immigration, language, talk of the “good old days”. It is normal for you want to return to the years where you had no cares and the world seemed an open challenge.
However that does not mean that Conservative policies which in this country means tax cuts for the rich, attacks on the poor and a front bench full of posh Etonians who probably have no idea what it is like to live on £140 a fortnight in Jobseeker’s allowance – these are the “generous benefits that attract immigrants from all around the world to our shores”.
£140 may seem like a lot to someone in Africa who earns a few quid a week but when you have to pay half of your benefits to ear and the rest on fuel, electricity and other necessities it quickly becomes clear that our generous benefit system is not generous at all,
We need a party that only borrows to invest in infrastructure, which then means jobs and tax receipts.
We need inducements to get companies to move to low employment areas and make jobs for the unemployed people in those areas ruined by the Tories in earlier years.
Don’t just cut corporation tax and other taxes for the corporations that seem to run our country. Make it dependant on an assurance that wages between females and males for the same job will be equal, that they will hire people who are long-term unemployed and that they will pay proper living wages and not let the state pick up the difference.
We don’t need another party in Government who sucks up to US Foreign Policy, we need cuts in defence e.g our “non independent nuclear deterrent that relies on US GPS guidance systems” and the retraction of “Get out of jail free cards” for companies like BAE just because we are threatened by Saudi terrorist Funders like Prince Bandar. They are supposed to be our allies but who want allies who threaten them and live in the 7th century. To me there is little difference between ISIS and Saudi Arabia and even the European Parliament thinks so declaring in 2013 that Saudi Arabia was the main exporter of terrorism around the world.
We need a proper tax code that stops companies using tax havens and the massive tax code that runs into tens of thousands of pages compared to Hong Kong’s 25 to stop companies finding ways to avoid paying tax.
A company who can move their HQ to Switzerland just so that they can get out of paying tax here is one we should inform, “either you pay your tax here or you lose access to one of the biggest markets in the world”. Any company who sells goods in this country whether based here or not should have a “shell” company created that is based here so that all tax from sales can be collected correctly.
We should also be cracking down on the super rich who buy whole swathes of the countryside and London’s rich areas only to not live there and destroy the small businesses, pubs and corner shops that rely on that area for trade.
We should be building huge amounts of houses and cracking down on people who buy second homes purely to rent at stupidly high prices. Anyone who wishes to do so in a time of high private rental prices should have to pay for it. We should also make laws that punish people either through tax or allowing their homes to be used by the homeless when they don’t live in them for over 70% of the time. That will make them re-consider whether to take housing stock out of our control or not.
Or what about people who buy second homes as investments but don’t rent or sell them within 4 months. We should force them to accept social tenants, the poor people on housing benefit, that our Government seems to be increasing in number but hate at the same time.
Having massive million pound homes in London that are empty is no good for no-one. We need rules to stop building companies and developers buying land and then just holding onto it, waiting to see if the value of the land will rise.
We need rules to speed up the building of homes on brown field sites. “Use it or lose it” should be a Labour policy that is kept and enforced. If building companies just stop building then they should lose tax incentives that should be given to make them build the houses that are desperately needed in the first place.
The private rental system is not working and we need to lower the cost of housing for everyone so that a 4 bedroom house in the South East doesn’t cost over a million quid but in Hartlepool under £100,000. The private rent in this country is far too high and with George Osborne selling off council homes and making people who might not be able to afford it for very good reasons to pay “market rates” (read over-inflated), if they earn over a certain amount is plain wrong.
He also doesn’t want to start more wars such as following the Tories into Syria and is prepared to allow the Iranians after their historic deal (a fuss over nothing) to engage in the peace process, cut off arms and money to the ISIS regime and not send more UK troops to die for a UK/US policy that created ISIS in the first place. Let Israel, Iran, The Kurds and Syria do the fighting.
Do we really think President Assad is worse than ISIS? I don’t and I think anyone who does is living in a fantasy land.
We have turned peaceful countries into war zones and it is only by talking to our “enemies” that we finally reach a peaceful end to conflict if we cannot beat them militarily. Just look at the Taliban, a fundamentalist Islamic group with archaic beliefs but one who we thought we had beaten whim a few months in 2001 only to find ourselves leaving tails between legs 15 years later and with our puppet leaders successor, Ashraf Ghani, talking to the Taliban “terrorists” to try to resolve the countries problems.
Talking works – Bombing Doesn’t.
Just look at Gaza, probably the most bombed placed in the world but still the people are defiant. Only talking will solve the Israeli Peace Crisis.
These people are obviously “Tory Lite” and are in the wrong party.
The people need a REAL CHOICE, not one between Austerity Heavy and Austerity Slightly Less Heavier.
They need someone who will borrow to invest and create jobs and tax and reduce welfare – LOGIC – not borrow to cover the rising costs of welfare due to just losing jobs and giving people no hope to get another one.
By Dark Politricks
Yvette Cooper, Jeremy Corbyn, Liz Kendall and Andy Burnham during a Labour Party leadership hustings at the LBC Radio Studios on Leicester Square
The surprise frontrunner in the Labour leadership contest, Jeremy Corbyn, found himself facing a potential exodus of talent from the front bench if he became party leader with Liz Kendall, Yvette Cooper and Chuka Umunna all saying that they would not serve in a shadow cabinet led by him.
At a leadership hustings organised by LBC, Kendall said on Wednesday night that she would not serve in a Corbyn shadow cabinet: “It would be disastrous for the party and disastrous for the country and we would be out of power for a generation. I don’t want to be a party of protest and I would not be able to stop myself from making that case”.
Initially, Cooper said she was torn about whether she would serve, saying: “In terms of politics I don’t think you should walk away from the Labour party, and I would never do what the SDP did.” She said she would give it considerable thought, before finally confirming she would not stand in any shadow cabinet elections if Corbyn was leader.
Umunna said he would not serve in a Corbyn-led shadow cabinet, adding that he thought the party would be “unelectable” under Corbyn’s leadership .
Burnham said he would serve under Corbyn, arguing: “It was really important that the party came out of the election united. We are not going to get anywhere by running factional politics”.
Corbyn said he could cope without Umunna in his shadow cabinet.
When pressed by Cooper to say if he was really standing to be prime minister or just to be part of a protest movement in the Labour party, he replied: “I am doing this because I want our party to change, and I am [doing] this to put myself to doing the job. If I am elected I would like to promote an awful lot of changes to bring about a more collective approach about the way we do things.
“If all we offer them for the next five years is austerity-lite, cuts in welfare and very little else other than appearing to being approved of by certain rightwing newspapers it does not excite people. This Tory government is very ideological and we are accepting too much of what they are doing.”
Corbyn also refused to say whether he would vote for the country to remain in the EU in a referendum next year.
Elsewhere in the debate, three of the candidates admitted they had smoked cannabis at university, but Corbyn replied that he was “really boring” and that he had never done so.
Earlier, Corbyn took issue with claims by the former prime minister that he was the Tory preference – and hit back by pointing out that Blair has a big problem waiting for the outcome of the government’s Chilcot inquiry into why he had taken Britain to war in Iraq in 2003.
Blair had provoked Corbyn by telling the Progress centre-left thinktank that people whose heart was with the leftwing candidate should “get a transplant”. In his first intervention in the Labour leadership election, the former prime minister said the party will never win with a traditional left platform, saying it will instead endure four election defeats in a row.
Blair said that Labour’s 2015 election campaign was based old-fashioned tax-and-spend agenda drawn from the Star Trek era, and adding that it was “out of the playbook of the 1980s”.
The former Labour leader was speaking after a shock YouGov opinion poll published by the Times showing Corbyn is set to defeat Burnham in the final ballot by 53% to 47%.
Supporters of Burnham said the YouGov findings showed Cooper, third in the poll, was dead in the water. Her team countered by saying that she could still get into the final ballot after other candidates are eliminated, and if she did so was the more likely to defeat Corbyn since she could attract a wider range of support.
Cooper also launched an attack on interim leader Harriet Harman’s handling of Monday night’s welfare vote. She said: “It is a complete mess … I don’t think it has been handled right. I think we should be opposing the bill. The mess we got into has made everyone confused. A messy compromise was made to try to hold the party together and it has failed.”
Corbyn was the only one of the four leaders in the debate to say he would give Ed Miliband a job if he was elected saying he would ask him to be energy secretary, a job he had previously done well.
A third of the 55,000 new members joining the party since the 2015 election are under 30, and the single most common age is 18, the national executive were told this week. Corbyn has targeted these new members with promises to abolish tuition fees and a rejection of the 2015 election campaign as austerity-lite.
In remarks to Progress, Blair expressed astonishment at the party’s reluctance to learn lessons from its defeats: “There’s no need to go through four election defeats to get to the place that it’s pretty obvious we should be now,” he said.
Tony Blair: ‘If your heart’s with Jeremy Corbyn, get a transplant’
He said he did not support Corbyn, but suggested that he would not quit Labour should the leftwinger become leader. He said he was “Labour through and through”.
Blair said the party should not act as though it was not in favour of reforming public services or regaining economic credibility out of a misplaced sense of principle.
“If we do, then the public won’t vote for us, not because our thoughts are too pure, but because they’re too out of touch with the world they live in,” he said. Blair also said the SNP has a “reactionary” ideology similar to that of a caveman.
The former prime minister said the SNP was “blaming someone else” for Scotland’s problems and that Labour had to criticise the Scottish government head-on to regain power.
He said: “Nationalism is not a new phenomenon. When the SNP talk about a new politics it is the oldest politics in the world. It is the politics of the first caveman council where the caveman came out from the council where there had been difficult decisions and pointed with his club across the forest and said, ‘there over there, they are the problem’. It’s blame someone else. However you dress it up, it is a reactionary political philosophy.”
This war monger should be on trial for not just taking us to war illegally but also for his insurgency into the Labour party when he turned it from a party in which MI5 routinely spied on Labour MP’s because they might be Russian Agents to an “establishment” safe party. One that towed the US Foreign Policy line, turned from CND to allow nukes everywhere, privatised the nations Gold, and indebted us to our eyeballs – plus made millions after leaving on book tours and “peace missions” that failed.
Iran v USA on Nukes and Israeli Hasbra that needs to be ignored
By Dark Politricks
Let’s see who is really a threat to Middle Eastern and world peace after the lengthy Austrian conference to settle the West’s desire to inspect Iranian, military sites whenever it want for the next 15 years, reduce their ability to enrich Uranium to no more than 3.67% (for medical uses) plus many other intrusive agreements which no other party who is member of the NPT OR nuclear country would ever allow to- especially the US or Israel.
Israel isn’t even signed up to the NPT and had an “undeclared” stockpile of nuclear weapons numbering at least 200+.
If anyone wants a nuclear free Middle East, and Iran would be one of the first to stand up for such an agreement, it would need to be Israel who had to disarm first.
Isn’t it hypocritical when Israel says Iran is the major threat toMiddle Eastern peace when not even the massive terrorist army of ISIS on its eastern borders doesn’t seem to bother it more than the possibility of Iran creating a bomb – something their religious and military leaders have both said will never happen as it goes against the doctrines of their Islamic religion. Even Israeli intelligence and Mossad officers have claimed that Iran is not even considering creating a bomb anyway.
Whilst ISIS is rampaging all over Europe and the Middle East killing tourists and destroying ancient world heritage sites wouldn’t it make more sense for Israel, Iran, Iraq, Syria the Kurds and with air support from the NATO countries involved to come together and find some common ground fighting a shared enemy?
Iran is already losing men in its battles against ISIS in its support of Shia militias and the Iraqi army on the ground and surely this is a sign they are more concerned about a Saudi Arabian backed terror group than the fake claim (repeated enough times so that it becomes true that they want to “Wipe Israel off the Map”.
Falsehood and lies, Israel depends on them to keep their population scared and voting in right-wing pro-war parties that demand displaced Palestinians recognise Israel yet they won’t even recognise Palestine as a state in return.
The world is full of hypocrisy and lies and the majority of people need to wake up and smell the coffee,
Ever since the Iranian nuclear agreement right wing UK papers were full of front page articles about how our “allies in the Middle East” e.g those dictators that we have decided not to other throw for the sake of oil, intelligence or just because they are above any law on earth e.g Israel, a criminal state that killed at least 2,215 people and wounded over 10,000+ last year, most of them civilians. This included over a thousand woman and children in a war against an open prison that they decided to call Operation Protective Edge.
I call it Israeli using billion dollar weaponry to attack a cornered and nowhere to hide stone age populace.
The figures below speak for themselves,
Who Violence Was Indiscriminate During Operation Protective Edge
Our other important ally in the region, is Saudi Arabia, they are under the table allies with Israel when it comes to Iran and have had close ties to the US and UK for years now. Whilst David Cameron worries over calling ISIS an Islamic State in public or not, despite their growing borders, introduction of their own Gold backed currency, sales of oil to neighbours and massive military, Saudi Arabia, is a “true Islamic state” and has been for some time now.
This is a country where our big arms company BAE had a massive bribery and criminal fraud charges dropped against it by the highest lawmaker in the land for purely political reasons. They didn’t want to upset the Saudi’s we constantly bribe for arms contracts because we might lose important “security related info on terror plots and so on”.
Oh and Prince Bandarthe facilitator of many of Saudi Arabia’s forays into terrorism threatened us saying that:
Saudi Arabia’s rulers threatened to make it easier for terrorists to attack London unless corruption investigations into their arms deals were halted, according to court documents revealed yesterday. – The Guardian.
Let’s just forget the fact that Saudi Arabia is the biggest exporter of terrorism around the world and that if the 9.11 official story was true it should have been Saudi Arabia being bombed instead of Afghanistan.
If British Foreign Policy is to mean anything regarding the word “ethical” it should have nothing to do with Saudi Arabia and immediately put it on the list of countries that are banned from arms sales – do you know that we have 27 counties on our Human Rights list but we only DON’T sell arms to 2 of them – South Sudan and Noth Korea – so much for an ethical foreign policy – money talks as they say!
We should also stop selling arms to Israel, back Palestine in its bid to get recognised as a state and label the country what is it – an apartheid nation which starts illegal wars, treats whole populations as enemy combatants, and after destroying all infrastructure and housing in Gaza for a 2nd time in a few years prevent any materials or aid getting into the region so that the people can rebuild their homes.
How the Gazan people have managed to survive and stay strong for so long under such incredible circumstances is unbelievable.
Once the Israeli Palestinian solution is resolved we can then tick that off the list of foreign policy grievances that Muslims in this country and abroad use to batter us around the head.
Stopping the support of the despot country AKA Saudi Arabia along with QATAR will also gain us respect in Muslim eyes. We should oppose despotism wherever it lies, not just when it suits us e.g Libya, Saddam and Gaddafi.
We should also be more vocal in our attacks of the USA in the way they have abused prisoners, their removal of habeas corpus for residents of GITMO and other black site prisons, and demand prosecution of former regime leaders for their crimes against humanity e.g. George W Bush and Tony Blair for their illegal pre-emptive war against Iraq – something called international law created after WWII at Nuremberg called this the worst crime a country could commit.
Isn’t is ironic that Nuremberg created the basis of International Law to convict Nazi’s who had abused Jews and other prisoners yet now the same law is flouted by Israel in particular as well the other Nuremberg Trial Judge countries (UK, France, Russia, USS).
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