UK Prime MinisterDavid Cameron announced legislative plans this past Monday to ban online messaging that can’t be accessed by government security agencies. His statements came as part of an initiative to resurrect the Data Communications Bill (otherwise known as the “Snooper’s Charter”) that was shot down by its political opponents in 2012.
Popular chat and social applications such as Apple’s iMessage and FaceTime, WhatsApp, Google Hangouts, Microsoft’s Skype, CryptoCat, etc. incorporate the use of encryption to block surreptitious access to online messages sent between people. Mr. Cameron said he intends to put a stop to internet communications that can’t be read by police, security, and intelligence forces – even with a warrant.
According to Mr. Cameron, the reason for this is to eradicate a private and safe method of communication between terrorists and other criminals who compromise national security. Mr. Cameron’s surveillance proposal comes at the heels of the recent tragic shootings in PARIS. However, heavy debates have risen up because of communication privacy issues related to this potential ban on encryption. Taking this into account, let’s examine some of the pros and cons on whether government officials should be able to tap into online personal communications without encryption.
The Pros of the Encryption Ban
In support for this surveillance measure, authorities cannot read online messages sent via encrypted apps if they have an appropriate legal warrant. Conversely, authorities are able to read traditional letters, listen into someone’s calls, etc. if they have a warrant. Encrypted apps block officials from investigating criminal suspects’ communications if officials have permission from the courts.
Access to emails, letters, and phone calls is critical in missing persons, homicide, and other criminal investigations. Mr. Cameron states:
“The first duty of any government is to keep our country and our people safe. The attacks in Paris once again demonstrated the scale of the terrorist threat that we face and the need to have robust powers through our intelligence and security agencies, and the policing in order to keep our people safe.”
The ability to reach all forms of modern communication with the right warrants will reinforce law enforcement’s efforts to combat terrorism and resolve criminal cases.
The Cons of the Encryption Ban
If the Data Communications Bill turns into official legislation, use of the aforementioned encryption-based applications would be thrown out and made illegal. That is, U.K. residents wouldn’t be able to chat with someone via iMessage or Google Hangouts. Encrypted end-to-end messaging services offered by these companies make it very difficult, if not impossible, for them to provide decrypted messages for legal purposes. Strong encryption algorithms are part and parcel of these social chat applications.
According to UK Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg, the move to block encrypted communications for complete accessibility in terrorist investigations is only a small part of the Snooper’s Charter.He told BBC:
“The Snooper’s Charter would do absolutely nothing to deal with this issue of how we as a country have access to data which originates overseas but might relate to people who want to do us harm. The Snooper’s Charter was about storing the social media activity and websites visited by everyone in this country.”
He goes on to say that this bill doesn’t balance the fine line between national freedom and security. Heavily tracked social media and other online activity would be an utter waste of national resources because it’s not targeted toward specific people and areas, and U.K. residents would experience an intrusion of privacy because their online activity is carefully monitored. These online surveillance measures are getting blowback especially in the wake of Edward Snowdon’s (a whistleblower for the U.S. National Security Agency) shocking revelations on NSA’s spy tactics.
The bill’s push for decryption and complete transparency also undermines people who want their online actions to remain anonymous for valid reasons, such as whistleblowers, advocates, enterprises that deal with confidential data, and so on. Further, businesses have a legal right and responsibilty to protect thier sensitive information, such as health records, credit card and other financial details, and identity information, through tight security protocols that include encryption. They could face prosecution and stiff penalties if they don’t protect their confidential information.
Now that we have examined some of the pros and cons of this controversy, we are excited to find out what you think! Which side are you on and why?
By Dark Politrcks
David Cameron is basically a Luddite that has no idea how encryption or the Internet works.
Whatever he tries to do people will find a way round it, they always have.
The Snowden leaks show that not just targetted terrorists are being spied on but everyone. Put the wrong word in an email along with a sexy photo of yourself meant for your lover on a business trip and it will be flagged up for further viewing after basic keyword analysis (same as Google do for showing adverts as you type in gmail – and what ECHELON was doing decades ago)
Remember people are only human and if they saw something amusing you could have a whole office laughing as they showed the pics around. Some people might not mind photos of their hairy private bits being passed around an office, most people probably would.
I hate hearing the “if I have nothing to fear I have nothing to lose” argument – yes you do have something to lose – privacy, liberty, freedom.
The war on terror has seen a massive increase in terrorist attacks from the 90′s after we stopped the IRA and a massive loss in our basic civil liberties. I feel sorry for Americans who now live under the Orwellian named PATRIOT ACT, National Security Letters and the NDAA that allows the President to kill a US citizen without any legal process.
How are we going to know when the war on terror has been won?
Who are our top generals going to sit down with to sign treaties to end the war on a tactic?
It’s the US scratching about, looking for enemies to fight to keep their war economy going now the Soviets are gone.
What better enemy than one you cannot see – the big boogey man terrorist who could be living next door to you.
Scare the population enough and they will allow you to do anything like automated naked strip searches at Airports or sending all our banking transactions to the USA under EU agreements.
Plus we have the most CCTV cameras on earth in this little island. Filmed on average 300 times a day by different cameras one study proved.
Ever watched the TV Programme “Person of Interest”?
The super computer within that show that can hook into every telephone and CCTV camera is not so far fetched after all.
The US have a system called TRAPWIRE that links CCTV cameras up across the country from airports to shopping centres and roads. Plus they are building an almost city sized data warehouse in UTAH to store it all.
People don’t seem to realise they are sleep walking into a surveillance state by putting everything they do up on Facebook or Instagram. The next generation will be wearing cameras on their “Google Specs” that records eveything they do and then use tools to interpret the important parts of the day and probably upload those – these already exist, James May from Top Gear did a show on it.
The concept of privacy, a private conversation will be lost to them.
Also Cameron doesn’t understand encyption. With open source tools people are already able to create their own strong encryption tools and making a conversation over a VPN will prevent most snooping anyway unless they have keyloggers and malware already installed on your PC’s.
Clever coders will always be able to bypass any method the Government comes up with and with the Snowden leaks we know the extent of the data they are collecting plus they are working with Google/FaceBook/Microsoft and every big tech company on the planet.
So there are many ways already to bypass Google/CIA snooping and whatever David Cameron does he will have trouble getting big international companies to comply wirth him unless he gets Obama onside on the matter.
Servers can be rented in any country to host content and ISP’s can only block so much.
Just remember privacy is one of the corner stones of a free modern civil society along with free speech.
If people think they cannot say what they want due to fear of being labelled or put on a list of “lefties” or “pirates” and maybe even banned OR searched more thoroughly wherever you go then free speech will crumble into the dust.
I am no criminal or terrorrist but I certainly don’t want the NSA/GCHQ being able to read my private thoughts or watch what I a doing when I communicate over Skype to my girlfriend in Iceland.
Remember the whole chain of being monitored in the first place starts with basic keword analysis of text. This conversation will probably be scrutinised by someone in detail just because of the frequency of certain “watch list” words. Any terrorist worth their profession would at least use a code to prevent this.
Also remember it’s the big IT and Media companies that are propagating terrorist PR in the first place. Newspapers showing Jihad John on the front page, YouTube uploads of his latest beheadings and Facebook pages devoted to these groups.
These could all be stopped easily with the keword and content analysis I talked about to prevent people creating pages devoted to ISIS and bans on the media using fear porn to sell their daily rags e.g laws to not give breath to these groups just like Gerry Adams in the 80′s.
These laws would have to be tightly written to prevent creep into stopping people who are anti government e,g Occupy protestors from falling into the category.
A simple law like “any group that chops a persons head off” cannot have content uploaded to the major sites (they will still have their own ones of course on servers based in Saudi Arabia)
And of course why are we at war with ISIS when Saudi Arabia chops limbs and stones people to death constantly. Oh yeah, Oil and arms sales. Our government has no morals or ethical foreign policy. It’s all about the Benjamins.
I am not committing a crime by taking this strong opiate because I am being prescribed it by my GP for my pain.
It’s given to me in patches I stick on my body where the drug is slowly absorbed over 2 days . It’s supposed to be 3 days but I am on the highest dose and the GP has overruled NICE rules on medications due to the severity of my condition.
When I go to the chemist to collect my supply they have to get it from the Controled Drugs Supply where I then sign an extra part of the form. It is a strong drug, one that I was told by a girl I met who worked at a homeless centre when I was in iceland (where heroin wasn’t available) that if I threw one of my patches into the middle of a crowd of homeless addicts they would fight to the death over it. Apparently due to the lack of heroin any Icelandic addict would cook these patches up, extract the Fentanyl and then inject or smoke it.
Basically though it doesn’t touch the sides on me and I get no buzz at all from taking it through a patch. This is probably why I am prescribed the maximum amount and over 2 not 3 days plus other prescribed pain killers, and of course taking other strong drugs as well to ease the pain.
For me to be on a drug that is legal because a GP gave it to me and for another person to be a criminal for using it because they bought it off me in the streets is madness in my mind.
Why is it ok to take a mind and body altering drug when it is supplied by the “system” but not when you buy it to take it for recreational purposes.
Why is it okay to ease the pain of the body but not of the mind?
You can see how the Goverments involved in cracking down doors in the morning and locking up junkies are two faced by the way they keep the drugs flowing.
From Vietnam and the Golden Triangle, Columbia and Mexico and their own internal wars and to Afghanistan where opium and now Heroin production has increased hugely since the most recent war started.
Let’s not forget that it was US policy to let Opium be grown in Afghanistan when the Soviets were at war in the same country 30 years ago to get their soldiers addicted and demoralise them as well as use the funds from the sales to pay for weapons for what is now al-Qaeda.
You can read all about the CIA’s involvment in the production and selling of drugs in this 4 part article and the most amazing quote comes from the biggest heroin producer in the 1980′s from Burma, Khun Sa, who when interviewed claimed that the the CIA were one of his best customers.
“by 1986 he was refining 80 percent of the opium harvest in the Golden Triangle. The king of opium trade, Khun Sa had risen to become the world’s largest single heroin trafficker by controlling 60 percent of the world’s illicit opium supply.”
“In 1986, Bo Gritz went to Burma with White House approval to meet with Khun Sa who supposedly had information on American MIAs. Khun Sa said that he wanted to end the opium and heroin traffic in his territory and to expose American officials involved in the drug smuggling. Gritz claimed that he took this message to the United States government and was told by Tom Harvey of the National Security Council that “there is no interest here” in the Khun Sa overture. Gritz had in his possession 40 hours of video tape of Khun Sa who “charged American officials, both past and present, with being the chief buyers of drugs produced in that part of the world.” He also claimed that he wanted to stop drug trafficking, but that the United States government would not let him. Khun Sa said that the CIA were some of his best customers. He offered support to the DEA to alert them of drug movements, but this was rejected at the headquarters level.”
For more information about the CIA’s involvement in drug smuggling please read the following articles:
You might aready know that the rulers of our world have no interest in stopping the war on drugs just like they have no interest in stopping the war on terror.
They are benefiting from it.
They are earning good money from the misery of others and it just shows what kind of people we are being controlled by when they would rather make another billion to add to their existing hundreds than stop people living in squalour taking heroin to ease the pain of the existence these overlords have created for them.
What a world.
As I sit here and write this I am watching Russell Brand’s documentary on the war on drugs on BBC3.
It discusses the fact that we are all tring to escape reality because reality is so crap.
As some ex addict says “Drugs and Drink are the answer to reality” – It’s true. When reality is so crap that it doesn’t give you anything more than cheap consumerism, materialism, banksterism and a lack of jobs and free training for people who want it. Why wouldn’t you want to escape it by going up the pub, taking drugs, watching TV or other mind numbing activities.
I suggest you watch his documentary as he interviews politiicans, goes on drug raids, speaks to addicts and politiicans and visits drug clinics in Switzerland where people are allowed to bang up and smoke crack.
Russel Brand – End The Drugs War
This is the blurb above the video on YouTube.com.
Russell Brand:End the Drugs War BBC Full Documentary 2014
The documentary Russell Brand made for BBC Three in 2012 concluded with him giving evidence to the Home Affairs Select Committee. Drawing on his own experience of drug taking and recovery, he advocated treating addiction as a health issue rather than a criminal problem and underlined his own belief that abstinence is the best way to help addicts.
Since then the Committee has reported its findings, concluding that the British drugs laws were failing and that it was a ‘now or never’ moment to reform them. But David Cameron didn’t agree, insisting that the drugs policy is working in Britain and that we should ‘stick at it’.
In this personal journey for BBC Three, Russell Brand sets out to challenge that point of view. He wants to find out how other countries are tackling their problems of drug abuse and to explore how the framework of criminalization implicit in the ‘war on drugs’ produces enormous harm in the treatment of addicts. Russell believes that ‘a shift’ is happening in the way that people view drug addiction. But to really change things he needs to persuade those who have power.
Russell starts on the frontline of the ‘war on drugs’ by joining the Met Police as they carry out dawn drug raids, and ends up sharing a police cell with a young addict who has been in and out of prison since she began taking drugs aged 12. He witnesses the dangers of street addiction in Birmingham, but is as shocked by what he sees in the legal ‘drug-consumption room’ he visits in Berne, capital of conservative Switzerland.
At a drug recovery conference, Russell is drawn into an argument about abstinence versus government methadone programmes, but also finds an unlikely ally for his campaign in a Tory lord. At a UN drugs conference in Vienna he meets the politician who in 2001 decriminalized drugs in Portugal. What Russell discovers from him informs his impassioned plea at the end of the conference that drugs should be decriminalized.
As he takes his argument public, Russell finds his views are challenged by those who say that the public fear that lifting criminalization will also lift drug use. But a second encounter with the young addict he met during the Met drug raid (who, since then, has been in prison, been released and is back on drugs) bolsters his belief.
Russell meets the deputy prime minister, Nick Clegg, who surprises him by agreeing in principle that the ‘war on drugs’ is futile and unsuccessful, but then frustrates him by explaining the lack of political will to move forward quickly to change things for the better.
Presenter Russell Brand Executive Producer Liz Hartford Producer Ross Wilson Director Ross Wilson Production Company Matchlight Ltd
Another Royal Sex Slave Scandal Involving Prince Andrew
By Dark Politricks
No suprise to see that the Royals are involved in sex orgies and clandestine meetings with under aged girls.
Rumours of sex scandals inside Buckingham Palace and with the Royal offspring (I guess the Queen is a bit too old to engage), have been running around for years now.
This is the Daily Mail on Sunday’s take on the Sex Scandal.
Yes surprisingly the British media DO Report on it however notive how they do it in an upside down way by turning the tables and making it into a “is she telling the truth story” rather than investigating the actual evidence and seeing if Prince Andrew is telling the truth. They may have had to go to court but even the Royal’s cannot erase all history caused by their well known playboy son. Whatever happens it’s very unlikely Prince Andrew would ever face criminal charges or appear in a court, US or UK.
I would put a large bet on that he won’t and if there was a court case I wouldn’t be surprised if the woman at the centre of it all Virginia Roberts would be found dead after committing suicide with a three gunshots to the head goodbye to the world just before she was about to testify.
Notice however that the Sunday Mail (an establisment right wing paper) puts on a “is she telling the truth though?” slant on the story.
They give out all the basic facts and interviews but insinuate that she is making it all up despite the fact that Epstein has been convicted and Prince Andrew has been photographed with the girl in question on top of his already dubious sexual history.
I am sure an investigation looking at hotel receipts from those hotels that she claimed she stayed at. Flight records from visits to England she claimed she took. Plus Prince Andrews visits to the places where these sex orgies and one on one massages or sexual intercourse took place could easily show whether there is enough evidence for a criminal trial.
Remember though that this is just a sensational headline to sell papers and it will no doubt die out in time with some help to ensure Mail owner Paul Dacre sweeps it all under the carpet and ensures Virginia Roberts reputation is destroyed in public before any trial ever goes ahead – however unlikely.
The spin on the story just goes to show how the establishment e.g the right wing media, Dacre, Murdoch and of course the Royals themselves are trying to sweep it all under the carpet by slandering the victim and calling her a liar rather than trying to prove her story correct which woyukd be a much bigger story. One that would be only be uncovering the truth that many of us already know abour Royalty and sex scandals.
Sex scandals that the rich and well connected get away with. Same old shit.
WORLD EXCLUSIVE: The first full account of the masseuse at the center of the explosive Prince Andrew ‘sex slave’ drama… but is she telling the truth?
Prince accused of abusing ‘Jane Doe 3′ at orgy where she was ‘sex slave’
Jane Doe 3 is Virginia Roberts, whose story was first uncovered in 2007
She told extraordinary story of three years working for billionaire Epstein
Said that she was paid to give erotic massages to tycoon and associates
Claimed Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of Robert, acted as his ‘madame’
Palace has emphatically denied Prince had relations with underage girls
Now the most complete story yet of this young woman can be published
By Shraon Churcher – Mail on Sunday Published: 22:30, 3 January 2015 | UPDATED: 04:13, 4 January 2015
It is the most extraordinary story of sex, power, influence and the abuse of young girls and it has already sent Jeffrey Epstein, one of the richest men in America, to jail.
And today this sordid saga erupted once again with Prince Andrew sensationally forced to deny having any sexual contact with the woman whose claims have dogged him for years. Last week, the Prince was accused of abusing ‘Jane Doe 3’ – an anonymous name used in American court papers – at an orgy where she was being used as a sex slave. Jane Doe 3 is Virginia Roberts, whose story was first uncovered in 2007 by The Mail on Sunday following a painstaking investigation by our reporter Sharon Churcher, who tracked her to Australia.
The story Miss Roberts told was extraordinary – how she spent three years as an under-age ‘sex slave’ working for billionaire Epstein, a friend of the Prince, and paid to give erotic massages to the tycoon and his associates. She also claimed that Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of disgraced tycoon Robert Maxwell, acted as Epstein’s ‘madame’.
The allegations by Miss Roberts are threatening the reputation of the Queen’s second son. The Palace has emphatically denied that the Prince has had relations with underage girls.
Now, thanks to the court documents Miss Roberts lodged in Florida last week, The Mail on Sunday can publish the most complete story yet of how this young woman was exploited by Epstein’s shuttered world of seedy sex and influence. We spoke to Miss Roberts twice, the last time just 12 months ago. While fragments of her testimony to us were reproduced last week, only now can we present her comprehensive account with previously unpublished material.
Last week it was sensationally claimed that Prince Andrew had taken part in what, it was implied, was sex with a girl who was under the age of consent according to the law in Florida. As the papers lodged in the Palm Beach court spell out: ‘Epstein forced Jane Doe 3 to have sexual relations with a member of the BritishRoyal Family,Prince Andrew (aka Duke of York).
‘Epstein instructed Jane Doe 3 that she was to give the Prince whatever he demanded and required Jane Doe 3 to report back to him on the details of the sexual abuse. Maxwell facilitated Prince Andrew’s acts of sexual abuse by acting as a “madame” for Epstein.’
In response, Buckingham Palace issued a strongly worded denial.
But Miss Roberts’s account differs. She says she first encountered Epstein and later Prince Andrew through Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of the disgraced newspaper tycoon Robert Maxwell.
She was working as a changing room assistant in the spa at Donald Trump’s palatial Florida country club, Mar-A-Lago, where her father was a maintenance manager. Soon after her 15th birthday, in 1998, she says she met Ghislaine at the club.
The socialite was a friend of Epstein’s and the pair were known in New York and London for their hedonistic lifestyle, which concerned Royal courtiers after Andrew began to associate with them. Andrew was photographed surrounded by topless women during one holiday with them in Thailand and was pictured sweatily cavorting with Ghislaine at a Halloween sado-masochistic-themed party in Manhattan, reinforcing his public image as a party loving playboy.
Miss Roberts says she had no idea of the risks she was running when she leapt at an invitation from Ghislaine to work for Epstein. ‘I was wearing my sexy white Mar-A- Lago uniform – a white miniskirt and a skintight white polo top – and studying an anatomy book when I was approached by this striking woman in her mid-40s with a very proper British accent – Ghislaine,’ Miss Roberts told The Mail on Sunday.
‘She noticed what I was reading and I told her I wanted to become a masseuse and she said she worked for a very wealthy gentleman called Jeffrey Epstein who was looking for a travelling masseuse and I’d get training and be paid large amounts of money.’
Miss Roberts was told she could start work immediately and was driven to Epstein’s sugar-pink mansion on the Palm Beach waterfront. The stairway was decorated with photos of naked young girls and Miss Roberts eventually would learn that she, too, was being photographed by hidden cameras.
‘But I was too nervous to take it in,’ she says. ‘Another lady led me into Jeffrey’s bedroom. It had a king-size bed, and a spiral staircase that led down to a pool.
‘The lady walked me straight through into the massage room. It was part of a suite – a shower room, a steam room and another closet-sized room where I later learned the sex toys were kept.
‘Jeffrey was lying face-down on a table, completely naked. He asked me a whole bunch of questions and within the first hour, he knew my life story. I told him I’d been a runaway and I’d lived on the street and I’d taken ecstasy tablets and I wasn’t a virgin and he said, “So you’re a bad girl in a good girl’s body”.’
‘The lady told me to follow her instructions. She had me put oil on my hands and then she grabbed one of his feet and started to massage it and she told me to take his other foot. Then she took off her shirt and started rubbing her breasts across Jeffrey and told me to take off my clothes. He had sex with me and the woman fondled me. I was thinking, “This is wrong. This is not legitimate massage.” But they liked me. The lady said, “She’s got a knack for it.’’ And I thought, “These are important people. I must be doing something right.” The lady gave me $200 [£130] and said I was to come back the next day.’
Miss Roberts was nauseated by the sexual acts that she was instructed to perform. But she was charmed by Epstein’s rags-to-riches life story – which, he intimated, was an example to her. ‘Jeffrey said he wanted to be my mentor,’ says Miss Roberts. ‘I felt that he and Ghislaine really cared for me. We’d do family things, like watch Sex And The City and eat popcorn.
‘But it was a sick family. I was a paedophile’s top girl, being trained up for a British Prince. He trained me to do whatever a man wanted. I was worried, but I would do anything to keep Jeffrey happy and keep my place as his No 1 girl.’
It was in 2001 that Miss Roberts was told she would be flying to London – and after they landed they drove straight to Ghislaine’s house. ‘Ghislaine showed me upstairs to a small bedroom. That night I gave Jeffrey an erotic massage. I was jetlagged. I went to sleep.
‘The next morning, Ghislaine came into my room. She was chirpy and really giddy. She jumped on the bed and said, “Get up, get up, sleepyhead. You’ve got a big day. We’ve gotta go shopping. You need a dress because you’re going to dance with a prince tonight.” She said I needed to be “smiley” and bubbly and very happy to be around him and give a lot of energy to him because he was the Queen’s son. Miss Roberts said they went shopping for a £5,000 Burberry bag and other designer dresses, perfume and makeup. ‘We got back to Ghislaine’s house around 4pm and I ran straight upstairs to have a shower,’ she said.
‘When I went downstairs, Ghislaine and Jeffrey were in the lounge. No one seemed too fussed even though we were expecting the Duke of York any minute. There was a knock at the door. There was a car outside with two men, who I think were security. Ghislaine led Andrew in and introduced me and we kissed each other on the cheek as I’d been told is the English custom.
‘Ghislaine served tea. She knew Fergie, who I gathered was the Prince’s ex-wife, and they talked very fondly about their daughters. Then Ghislaine played one of her favourite guessing games. She asked Andrew how old he thought I was and he guessed 17 and they all kind of laughed about it and Ghislaine made a joke that I was getting too old for Jeffrey. She said, “He’ll soon have to trade her in.”’
It was widely known in Jeffrey’s set that he liked young girls.
Miss Roberts says she sat between Jeffrey and Andrew at dinner, claiming: ‘Andrew was making eye contact with me at every chance and concentrating on my plunging V-neck top. He didn’t ask me anything about myself. I just sat there with a smile frozen on my lips. Ghislaine had whispered, “The Prince seems really interested in you.”
Prince Andrew accused of abusing underage sex slave
‘We went on to Tramp. We were led into a VIP area and Andrew got me a cocktail from the bar then he asked me to dance. He was the most hideous dancer I had ever seen. He was grabbing my hips and he was pouring with perspiration and he had this cheesy smile. I was used to being used for sex by men but it was not behaviour that I was used to in public, and not from a Prince who had daughters. I felt everyone was watching us.’
By her account, Miss Roberts’s first tryst with the then 41-year-old Prince allegedly took place later that night at Ghislaine Maxwell’s London townhouse. ‘All of us went upstairs and I asked Jeffrey to snap a picture of me with the Prince. I wanted something to show my Mom. Ghislaine and Jeffrey left us after that,’ she said.
‘In the morning, Ghislaine said, “You did well. He had fun.” We flew straight back to the States. I suspected that the only reason we went to London was that I was a “gift” to Andrew.’
Miss Roberts makes the extraordinary claim that she was paid about $15,000 (just under £10,000) by the 58-year-old Epstein as a reward for sleeping with the Prince and other sexual services for Epstein.
There is no suggestion that the Prince knew that Epstein paid her.
‘I was totally under Jeffrey’s spell. I was his personal sex slave. Ghislaine joked about how young I was when they introduced me to Andrew.’
Despite the Palace’s vehement denials of impropriety, Miss Roberts says: ‘It was made clear to me that my job was to do whatever pleased him’ – adding that she ‘wouldn’t have dared object’ to any demand.
‘The Prince didn’t give me money with his own hands,’ she added. ‘Jeffrey always took care of paying me after I “entertained” his friends.’’
Andrew was at the time a special trade envoy, but after Epstein was prosecuted he resigned. He subsequently broke off his friendship with the financier and has been working to rebuild his reputation with his charitable trust. His focus is on trying to grow British prosperity, including training young people to become ‘economically active’ through schemes such as apprentices and a digital enterprise award.
Speaking later, Miss Roberts said she remains mortified by her meeting with Prince Andrew.
‘To be honest, I was sort of excited to meet the Prince. That was the lifestyle to which Jeffrey had accustomed me,’ the blonde, now 30, said.
Miss Roberts says she met Andrew for a second time around Easter 2001, at Epstein’s Manhattan mansion.
‘I was in Florida when I was called up and told I was needed in New York,’ she recalls. ‘When I got to the mansion, I was told, “Get ready. You are meeting someone in the library.” Andrew was sitting there in a big leather armchair behind which there was a desk covered with photos of girls and young women, including one of me.
‘I was almost nude in the picture. I don’t think Andrew could have missed seeing it when he walked in. Ghislaine had just given him a present, some kind of big blow-up toy that was his Spitting Image puppet. He was smiling ear-to-ear. He looked like a kid whose parents were taking him to Disney World.
‘A beautiful girl called Johanna Sjoberg, who worked for Jeffrey, was sitting on Andrew’s knee. Ghislaine guided me over to Andrew and I think he recognised me though I don’t know if he remembered my name. We kissed each other on the cheek and Ghislaine placed me on his other knee.’
In an interview with The Mail on Sunday, Johanna has confirmed the encounter, saying she was 21 at the time and had been hired by Ghislaine to answer phones and serve drinks in return for $20 (£13) an hour.
Ghislaine subsequently asked her to give Epstein foot massages, she elaborated, and the tycoon tried to persuade her to ‘touch his nipples’. ‘He couldn’t believe I refused. No one else had ever done that,’ she said.
After being introduced to Andrew in the library, she sat on his lap. Miss Roberts says it was made clear to her that she was expected to have sex with Andrew – although again the Palace completely refutes any suggestion of impropriety.
‘Ghislaine said, “You should take him upstairs for a massage,” ’ she says, burying her face in her hands. ‘I took him upstairs to the Dungeon. He undressed and lay face down on the table. I started with his feet, then his calves the way Jeffrey liked it.’
This time there was no extra payment for the session, she added. ‘Because I wasn’t on the road, I just got my usual hourly rate, which at that time was $200.’
She met Andrew one final time on Epstein’s Caribbean island, where she says she entertained him with an ‘orgy’. ‘I flew there with Jeffrey and Ghislaine,’ she says, ‘and seven Russian girls who didn’t speak a word of English turned up with a modelling agent. Jeffrey was so excited. He said, “We’re going to do a big photo shoot with you and the girls.” The agent took the pictures.
‘They were very provocative. We were topless and he had us in sexual positions. Then were told to assemble in a big cabana. When I walked in, Andrew and Jeffrey were seated in chairs. Jeffrey directed us with hand gestures. Jeffrey and the Prince were laughing. The next day, Andrew was gone.
‘I remember thinking I would never have a normal life again but, as sick as it sounds, Jeffrey was my master. I was totally in his power. I never thought of trying to escape.’
For her 19th birthday, in August 2002, Epstein purchased a plane ticket to Thailand for her, where he enrolled her in a massage course.
Asked if she planned to escape, she blushes. Despite the degradation she endured, she insists that she never would have lied to her ‘mentor’.
‘I really did think that I could give him better massages if I studied in Thailand,’ she says.
Shortly after arriving there, however, she met an Australian martial arts expert, whom we have agreed to identify only by his first name, Robert. They fell in love and, just ten days later, they married.
‘Robert taught me how to live again,’ says Miss Roberts.
For 11 years, they lived in virtual seclusion in a rural suburb of Sydney. But a year ago, the couple moved back to America with their three young children. ‘I still dream about Jeffrey. I still wake up at night in tears,’ said Miss Roberts, who is working on a memoir.
Her memory of Prince Andrew plays heavily on her mind.
‘A lot of powerful men were part of Jeffrey’s scene, but I specifically remember Andrew,’ she says.
But she says it is now time ‘to fight’, adding: ‘When I think of what he and these other men did, it breaks my heart. I am going to name every guy who deserves to be named when I go to court.’
And yesterday she said she was being ‘unjustly victimised again’ after her account was called into question. ‘These types of aggressive attacks on me are exactly the reason why sexual abuse victims typically remain silent and the reason why I did for a long time,’ she says. ‘That trend should change. I’m not going to be bullied back into silence.’
Epstein’s lawyer Jack Goldberg said the allegations were old and salacious and had been consistently proven to have no merit.
Ghislaine Maxwell was not available for comment but has previously branded all claims against her as ‘untrue’ and ‘obvious lies’.
Happy New year to all my readers and hopefully I live the next one out.
I have spent too much time in hospitals and doctors surgeries this year plus I have just had a major operation that has left a nice 5″ scar on my gut that I have little time in the last few months to write any articles.
So I do apologise for my many illnesses and this article is going to be mainly about my experiences in the UK health system – with some spiritual and revolutionary comments at the end.
Spending so much time at the NHS has made me realise what is wrong with out health system – a lack of communication and no input by the patient.
We are not treated as customers but seen as people taking advantage of a “free health care system”.
Gp’s, Consultants and Hospital managers seem to forget their huge wages and the fact we actually pay tax and national insurance, the majority of which goes to fund the NHS.
Therefore we ARE customers and the people in the hospitals and GP surgeries need to start realising this and treating us like any other business does. If the customer isn’t happy you do something about it. You don’t just give them a load of long words and treat them as if there are all advantage takers being treated to a service they shouldn’t deserve to have.
Without the “customer” being treated like a customer and not just a piece of living meat on a conveyor belt that passes through various departments where some nurses and doctors care about your needs and other don’t, there is always going to be a fundamental flaw in our health system.
It doesn’t need to be like this with modern technology e.g the Internet. We have the solution to a “reality” we don’t like, why not implement it?
To be honest a lot of this is something that could be sorted out with a simple web-based computer system. I offer my services to the NHS and the UK government for a fraction of the costs of previous attempts at “modernising” the NHS with technology.
People say “what about security” – well we don’t worry about online banking do we, and I would rather someone saw my medical records than stole my whole bank account.
It is pretty easy to lock down a website with various modes of security, passwords, numbers, thumb print checks and even using your laptops web camera to verify your face.
Patients (treated as customers) should be able to do the following from their computer or tablet:
See their medical records.
Add their symptoms to current problems to a list so that the GP / Consultant can view them and the patient doesn’t have to remember them all when they meet up.
View their medical history and see what happened during operations rather than trying to read a scribble on a sheet from a Consultant who can’t write in a visible manner.
Correct things like medicines that cause them problems. I am fed up of locums giving me drugs that blow up my bad leg up to the size of a tree trunk due to me being allergic to the drug. My list of drugs that I can and cannot have should be on the computer screen and flagged up if the GP attempts to print off a prescription. It’s not hard to do!
Having a computer system like this that gives patients and doctors access to the same information would also allow doctors in surgeries to add their notes, patients to read them later on and then when they go to another hospital or surgery the consultants and nurses there would be able to view the same notes and not rely on paper and letters like we currently do.
There is no reason that each hospital or surgery should have their own computer system shut off from the rest of the NHS when a secure website would allow doctors to converse with each other without writing letters like they currently do.
There is nothing worse than going to see my GP and her recommending me have a procedure and then wait for her to write a letter to the consultant for it to get done. She only writes the letter when she has the time ,which could be anything up to a week after your visit
Then the secretaries type it up for their internal computer system and send it off to the postman, another waiting period.
Once the post arrives at the destination, a hospital or another surgery the secretaries open the letter, re-type the contents into their own computer systems which can take another week and then there is a long wait until the consultant actually reads it. An internet computer system would make this procedure instantaneous.
I have had my GP send me for a procedure and write a letter, then turn up at the hospital or surgery 3 months later only to find they still haven’t received it!
I have also had a letter sent to me from my pain clinic which was dated the 17th Feb, the visit to the surgery was the 10th of Jan and the letter wasn’t even sent until a month later as it was first class and I got it around the 10th of March!
A simple computer system would sort this out.
It doesn’t have to cost £20 Billion like previous attempts to rip the Government off with techno speak that bamboozles them into accepting the huge fee.
Heck I could spec out a computer system that would do the job in a day or two.
As long as you don’t have design by multiple committees which has happened before it could be easily created without much fuss.
Giving “customers“, which we patients are, access to our own medical notes would be empowering and allow us to help the NHS by writing our own comments against consultants notes.
I don’t want to have to wait 3 months to find out why my operation which should have taken an hour at most took 5 hours. Plus I want to know why I was wheeled out at 8pm with a massive cannula in my jugular when I went in with a small one in my arm. At the moment after phone calls to the consultants secretary and my GP I have no details. Guess I will just have to wait until I see my consultant then!
A simple web-based computer system would easily solve this.
I could send a message to the consultant and he could send me one back (internal mail).
Plus in the first place he would have had to type the discharge notes up onto a computer so that I could read them when I logged into my area of the website a few days after the operation.
This is all easy stuff and I have no idea why EDS or whatever tax payer milking computer firm thought they could charge £20 Billion for a system only to have it cancelled because it didn’t work.
Milking the Government for contracts seems to be the way big companies make money at the moment. With the load of doofuses we have in power at the moment no wonder they offer stupid sums like £20 billion for computer contracts as they have done many times in the past.
All the doctors at our surgeries really are, are human databases. Their brains are just lists of diseases, illnesses, symptoms and cures. Their brain holds this information but it is never going to be as good as the Internet or a large computer database. A computer system could replace or aid them in their job.
Doctors just want to see past patient history, add to it and carry out simple checks on your body. Tests such as feeling for lumps, checking your eyes and ears and taking your blood and blood pressure.
With modern technology and the web as they type in the symptoms that they find the Internet could easily bring up a list of:
Probable causes. Ordered in their probability.
Possible test to take to narrow down the cause.
Links to articles and doctors notes on possible solutions to complex problems.
Once the GP has run the tests in order of probability then the remaining causes must be considered – logic.
It was only because no GP or consultant thought that I might have a super bug inside me that they didn’t test for it.
If it was on a list of possible causes they would have ruled everything else out and had to have tested for it, not waited 5 years until it ravaged my insides.
I basically did this with my last issue so I don’t know why they can’t.
I even found studies done on the procedure I was going to have from a medical website where doctors explain new procedures and it detailed it all perfectly. Why the GP or consultant couldn’t do this on a computer and provide the patient with a print out in a few seconds I don’t know.
Another thing that pissed me off was when I went for my pre-op tests, blood pressure, medication checks and blood tests I was almost baptised by a religious nurse.
This African nurse who saw me and who was very kind spent most of her time trying to convert me to Christ.
It all happened because when I entered the room and she asked how I was doing and I said “all right I suppose”.
This led to her asking why I wasn’t filled with joy and happiness.
I guess having had Cancer, Kidney Stones, a super bug and chronic pain (plus a few othe chronic conditions) doesn’t make you the most happiest chap in the world. I do try but I can’t be a laughing clown 24/7 with my conditions.
Therefore she started on her lecture on how God would cure me if only I let him into my heart.
She even told me to go home that night and say “God show me you exist and fill my heart”.
She said if it didn’t happen it was okay for me not to believe but she guaranteed it would.
I went home and for a crack tried it – guess what – nothing happened.
Instead of a 10 minute test this pre-op turned into an hour debate on God.
How the patients waiting behind me felt I don’t know. But the nurse wasn’t having any of the usual arguments to negate the God illusion.
I asked her if God was omnipotent and omniscient (all-powerful and all-knowing), she said “of course he is”
I then asked if God had the power to change his own mind.
Obviously if he did he couldn’t be all-knowing as he would have already known he would change his mind at some point and if he couldn’t change it he wasn’t all-powerful as it meant he didn’t have the power to change his mind – this is a basic understanding of the argument, Google will teach you more about Christian apologetics.
Her answer to these puzzles was just “He wouldn’t, he just wouldn’t to do it”. There was no arguing with her on this one she was locked in and obviously indoctrinated to the max.
I then asked if she believed in miracles and she said “of course yes – God can do anything”.
So I said the common reply to this – “why is that people with no legs or arms who pray for them to come back never do”.
Guess what her answer was. “They just weren’t praying hard enough.”
Nice. I wonder how all the amputees who believe their amputation was down to God working in mysterious ways, feel now they know they aren’t praying hard enough.
I wasn’t rude or annoyed by her lack of logic but I did wonder why the NHS allowed their nurses to spend time that could be used on other patients to allow their nurses to be in-house missionaries. It just shouldn’t be allowed.
Anyway enough of my health problems, I could go on for days listing them at the moment but I won’t.
The world is in a state of permanent war and whilst the west tries to paint Putin as a new Hitler the news channels seem to forget that the USSR lost 20 million due to the Nazi’s and Ukrainian supporters flooding their armies into the country through Ukraine in the second World War.
No wonder they don’t feel so good having neo-nazi’s on their doorstep and the neo-con grasped USA meddling in their affairs. They have broken all promises about not moving NATO an inch further than it was at the fall of the Berlin wall and into their own sphere of influence.
Look what has happened since, we are now on their doorstep and almost surrounding them from Eastern Europe, The Middle East, Georgia, Afghanistan and many more of Russia’s allies that we are trying to de-stable e.g Syria and Iran.
It’s no surprise to me Putin doesn’t want NATO nukes on his doorstep, especially considering when they tried the same trick with Cuba in the 60′s it almost led to a nuclear war.
People seem to forget that the solution to the crisis was that JFK agreed to remove nukes from Turkey, right next to Russia but that the Soviets weren’t allowed to tell anyone about it. It was basically a quid pro quo. The Cuban nukes were removed from the USA’s doorstep in exchange for the Turkish nukes going from the Soviets.
The problem was that the world thought JFK had won this battle without realising that he had done the same as the Soviets in Turkey.This made the Russian leader at the time Khrushchev look weak and he was soon gone.
Now the USA feels it can ignore the wishes and needs of all other countries that are not their clients.
Countries they need the help of to solve issues like Syria and Iran.
Russia has done more to keep the world going to a full-blown MAD style war than America this year with their agreements with Syria to get rid of all chemical weapons and their help with Iran’s nuclear problem by offering to take away the material that could be used for bombs.
Instead of US drones, planes and bombs the Russians have used good old-fashioned diplomacy to sort out these issues. It sure shows the difference between the two countries approaches to problems in the world.
Despite this what credit have the Russian got? Not much from the western media it seems.
Russia is the new bad guy just because they didn’t want to lose their only port in the Black Sea and allow Russian speaking passport holders to be killed indiscriminately by Ukrainian shelling of their towns they are painted as invaders and outlaws.
It seems like only the USA can invade countries when they feel like it, when others do they are breaking international law even if it is to save their own people as in Georgia.
On top of that the western media has hardly mentioned the multiple massacres that the far right neo-Nazi’s the (American Nazi’s e.g the neo-cons) have inflicted on the eastern Ukrainians that they see as cockroaches. The US has even helped install far right leaders into positions of power in the Ukraine. America helping Nazis? Where have we seen that before……
Anyway this site is full of news from these hotspots and I meant this to be a New Years message not a review of the deaths and false flags we have witnessed all year.
I have been reading a lot of Buddhist books since my health issues and have realised that time is too precious for regrets.
Live for the moment and enjoy it whilst you can.
Appreciate those little chats with the shop keeper as you joke over something and feel good as you stop your car to let people cross the road in the rain. Go feed the ducks in the local lake.
Be nice and help people, it makes you feed good and those little moments of goodness are needed when we are living in a world full of zero hour contracts and jobs where no pay rises occur for years - even as you work longer hours.
Little things like that can all add up to you feeling content whilst you live in this world of madness.
There’s only so much drink and drugs you can take to ease the pain of life and I know, I have reached that limit, literally. It’s probably why I am so scared of death as I know the pain killers just won’t work – I’ve reached the limit. I’m on Fentanyl patches 100 * stronger than Morphine that do nothing to me. They may take away some of the pain but I still guzzle down pills as quick as I can get them in the hope they will help my body forget the pain it’s in.
Therefore I am trying to live in the moment and not worry about the future and forget about the past. Let what happens be, and deal with it at the time. Don’t fill your head with worries now when these problems might not even happen.
As someone I read recently said, “reality is the problem, drugs and drink is the solution” – I totally agree.
We are all trying to escape reality whether it’s through substances or watching TV.
Our current reality offers us nothing to make us happy and no easy paths to get the happiness that is on offer.
Another quote I read recently was “You can tell what is most important to a society by their tallest buildings” – Some of you might know the quotes.
In the Middle Ages it was Churches, now its Banks, skyscrapers to the worship of money.
Also every town centers biggest buildings are shopping centres.
Places we go to worship consumerism and buy material things to take our minds off reality for a few hours whilst ignoring what is really fucked up with society and our lives.
The answer then is that we need to change reality.
Putting a few Banksters and MP’s in jail won’t cut it.
We need to stop the 1% taking our money and rinsing us out so that we become poorer year on year.
We need to make reality something worth not escaping from by taking pills, watching reality TV or washing the car every weekend.
How we do this I don’t know apart from a real revolution.
Whether enough people realise this in time or not I don’t know but I don’t think I will live to see it.
Hopefully it can be done before we crumble into star-dust but I am not crossing my fingers.
In the mean time, be nice to people, be good and have a good new year.
As I have been recovering from a major operation that seems to have gone wrong (just my luck), I have spent hours in bed with my legs raised watching YouTube on my TV. I have an idea for an article about the NHS and my experience of it (lots) which I am working on.
Howver as I do that I have been head rushed with movies about Nazi bases on the moon, alien shoot outs in deep tunnels in the US and even in space caught on NASA cameras. I even saw (easily faked) a short old clip which seems to show a joint Russian/US probe landing on Mars and a suited (60′s/70′s) presenter (looks like the BBC) calling out NASA to comment on it.
Either we had lots of Soviet Union astronauts working all through the cold war with NASA and the space race was just one big fat lie or the two space exploring nations were working together all the time as people have long suspected.
Personally I think it is well put together with clips from movies, songs, politicians and even the great George Carlin as he talks about the politicians screwing over the poor.
It talks about the history of propaganda, strong leaders that the public seem to love, the crap being put into our food and water. Big Pharma not caring about cures for AIDS as it would mean they would lose profits on the pills given out to HIV carriers each day.
From BBC Documentaries, US TV shows, David Icke,Alex Jones, Mark Dice and many more people you will probably have heard of it’s a good video to watch if you have no idea about the New World Order.
Its pretty long but it’s worth a watch if you have the time.
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