Showing posts with label Islam. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Islam. Show all posts

Thursday, 20 December 2018

9.11 and the clash of civilisations

9.11 and the clash of civilisations

By Dark Politricks
"There can be no true friends without true enemies. Unless we hate what we are not, we cannot love what we are." - Dead Lagoon
The clash of civilizations so aptly predicted by Samuel P. Huntington after the fall of the cold war seems to be approaching very quickly. Those of us who consider ourselves rationalists or atheists can only stand on the sidelines looking on in horror as those groups of people who have a dog in the fight ramp up the differences and stoke the fires that have inflamed many people of the Abrahamic faiths.

Just like the first world war which was basically a family feud between European aristocracy (The Kaiser, Tsar and King of England were all cousins), the current feud is between offshoots of the same religion.

This is what makes it all so much more galling for those of us who can see the Bible, Torah and Koran for what they really are, books of allegories, written by people with no scientific perspective on the world who if they lived today would all be locked up in loony bins.

Why is it we can see the mad pastor Terry Jones for what he is really is, a fruit loop for claiming he has regular conversations with God and yet billions of people are happy to take as a literal truth the same claims from those who lived thousands of years ago. Why is Terry Jones just a nutter whereas Mohammad, Jesus, Issac and all the other prophets of lore who regularly claimed to converse with the almighty people to believe in?

In reality there is little difference between the ferocity of belief in those who make up the Phelps family or Iranian Mullahs dishing out Sharia justice by stoning adulterers to death.

There is no difference between Terry Jones burning Korans and the Taliban blowing up Buddhist statues.

There is no difference between the Muslims across the world who believe that the Christian West is on another crusade against Islam and those New Yorkers who believe that revamping a Muslim community center is on par with Hitler opening a Nazi Theme park next door to Auschwitz or those people who believe that Islam and not Al Qaeda attacked them on 9.11.

To me it's the same ignorance and bull shit just a different face on the packaging.

It's because of this dogma and refusal to think outside ones own narrow train of thought that makes religion so scary for those of us who put belief of fairies, Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy to bed forever at the age of 8 or 10.

In fact when one thinks about it there is actually more reason to believe in the Tooth Fairy than there is God for at least we are left with a physical sign of their presence in the morning when our tooth has gone only to be replaced with money!

What is clear though is that this rise in religiosity is being brilliantly exploited by those who have political aims. The two sides are being played off against each other by design and it is only going to get worse.

A western world that hates Muslims is one that goes to war without thinking first. They are armies that engage in the sort of rampant and wanton rape and destruction that only serves to drive up hatred on the other side ensuring that an eye for eye turns into an arm for an arm and a leg for a leg until there is nothing left to fight over.

An America that believe it was Muslims in general that attacked the USA on 9.11 is one that dismisses WikiLeaked tapes of mass murder of civilians and the killing for fun attitude of their soldiers as nothing more than the excesses of war.

An America that believes Islam is the devils work, a cult of moon god worshipers whilst their country was the pinnacle of God's creation is one that sees nothing wrong with the torture of prisoners, the suspension of the rule of law and the kidnap and indefinite detention of those considered enemies of the state.

On the anniversary of 9.11 it is clear that the intention of the attack has largely succeeded. If bin-Laden was behind the attack and thought that by striking at the heart of America he would help free Muslims from Zionist and American oppression around the world he was sorely mistaken for the exact opposite has occurred.

If however the intention was to enrage America so much that they would basically give Carte-Blanche approval to a never ending war of imperialism and manufactured anti-Islamic rage across the Middle East then the act succeeded as planned.

The clear losers from 9.11 apart from those who died that day have been people of Islamic faith whether they be Afghanis, Iraqis, Palestinians or Americans.

More Muslims have died in the last 9 years than could possibly be known and because of the war on terror these deaths are somehow justified. Because we are supposedly doing good deeds by expanding the western sphere of influence, installing puppet dictators and propping up narco regimes the counting of "collateral damage" is not a necessity and the total figure is only ever mentioned as an after thought whilst every one of our own troops death is mourned as much as the last.

9.11 is already a date that will be enshrined in history forever for a number of reasons. Not only was it the catalyst to the war on terror it was the straw that broke the camels back in terms of wakening people up all around the world for a number of reasons. Not only did it show the facade that liberal democracy was, how easily all our rights and civil liberties can be discarded when the government clicks its fingers it also woke many people up to the lengths supposedly free democratic governments will go to when it wants to go to war.

The original Pearl Harbour attack that brought the USA into World War Two led to eight investigations within the following four years to determine the events of that day. The New Pearl Harbour attack that seems to have led the USA into starting the war of civilizations was investigated once and very poorly at that.

Not only did 6 of the 10 commissioners complain about the Bush government withholding evidence, limiting the terms of inquiry and blocking legitimate questions it failed to answer the key questions that still remain to this day. Questions which must be answered if the government ever wishes to absolve itself of blame and remove the cloud of suspicion that has rightly fell upon it for refusing to investigate the matter properly.

Questions such as:

Why did NIST seemingly falsify their report into the collapse of WTC-7. The tower that wasn't hit by a plane yet fell at breakneck speed into its own footprint later on that day. A collapse that for 2.4 seconds was at free fall speeds, a fact admitted by NIST and one which meant that they had to remove the label from their report that had proudly claimed it was "consistent with the basic principles of physics". A fact that so far can only be explained by the use of controlled demolition of some sort which the NIST refused to even consider as a cause for the buildings collapse having preferred instead to doctor their computer model by overloading parameters that bore no relation to real world events to induce collapse.

Why did the government come out with the poor reasoning for the terrorists attack as "hating us for our freedoms" rather than the real reason which was USA's support for Israel. Why can they not admit that their unswerving support of a nation that is propped up through their massive military support, financial donations, UN vetoes and their turning of a blind eye to the numerous executions, ethnic cleansing, piracy and aggressive foreign policy was the primary cause for the Al Qaeda attack on that day.

What did our ally Israel know about the attack and what information did they pass on to the Americans beforehand. It is a well known fact that the Israeli's were engaged in a huge spying operation in the year leading up to 9.11. They were also following the hijackers around the country, living across the road from many and supposedly monitoring them. As the original reporter on this story, which was reported by Fox until it removed the story due to Israeli pressure, said when being interviewed on the matter of Mossad foreknowledge of the attacks "how could they not have known?"

If Israel did know about this terrorist plot, and the circumstantial evidence suggests they did, then why didn't they tell US intelligence and if they did who did they tell and what was done with this info. It is not implausible to believe that elements of the US intelligence community and maybe some people in government did know about this plot beforehand and chose not to act because they could see the potential "benefit" to their PNAC plans of a successful attack occurring.

We know the authors of the PNAC document were now in power and we know how much the neo-cons and their Israeli counterparts wanted a "new pearl harbour" type event to occur so that they could engage their plans for a "clean up" of the Middle East. Considering all the conspiracy theories around this event this is the most plausible and the easiest one to to pull off. It needs to be investigated thoroughly.

We are currently living through times in which rich pro-Israeli groups are deliberately stoking up anti-Islamic sentiment and if we are going to spend the next decade continuing our current policy of destroying ourselves and most of the Muslim world in a pointless war of civilizations then we need to resolve all unanswered questions over the events that ignited this chain of events.

We need to for our own sakes as well as future generations otherwise school kids in a hundred years or so will be looking back at these times with disdain and horror in the same way as we now look back at 30's Germany.



By Dark Politricks


A CIA Agents Deathbed Confession to Demolishing WTC-7 on 9/11

A CIA Agents Deathbed Confession to Demolishing WTC-7 on 9/11

By Dark Politricks

If you have not heard yet recently there was another 9/11 whistle-blower and piece of proof that the demolishing of WTC-7 was NOT caused by fires as NIST and the official conspiracy theory claim.

It would have meant that the fires all had to cause a simultaneous and free-fall drop of the building from a single point of failure in the building's structure.

Does this look like a controlled demolition?



As I have said before as a computer coder myself I know that if you have a result you want to obtain then the parameters of the model to prove that point can be changed until that result is obtained.

As to my knowledge NIST have still not released the computer model they used to "prove" that fires caused the building to drop, despite no plane hitting it. Even if they do it does not mean it is correct.

If you put shite code in you get a shite output, and the official claim of a fire causing WTC-7 to collapse is pure shite.

Remember on 9/11, a single day, we had three historical events that has led us to 18 years of war.

Those events were that on a single day, for the first time in history, 3 steel framed sky scrapers, one not even struck by a plane, all fell into their own footprints due to fire.

No wonder so many architects have come out to refute that claim and prove that the whole event was a false flag staged attack designed to get the US population riled up and into a war fever.

Death Bed Confessions

I particularly like death-bed confessions as we all know that if a CIA or intelligence asset had come out in the open with the truth at the time of the event they would have been either been killed, imprisoned or silenced such as the FBI's Sibel Edmonds who was labelled at one point the most gagged person in history due to her revelations.

She was not the only government worker to speak out, many still shout the truth to the deaf, others died trying.

Why would you waste your last moments on earth telling a lie to the world?

The confession comes from 79-year-old retired CIA agent, Malcom Howard. He worked for the CIA for 36 years and claims he was asked by senior CIA agents to work on the project due to his engineering background and early career in the demolition business.

Mr. Howard said that:

"It was a classic controlled demolition with explosives. We used super-fine military grade nanothermite composite materials as explosives. The hard part was getting thousands of pounds of explosives, fuses and ignition mechanisms into the building without causing too much concern. But almost every single office in the Building 7 was rented by the CIA, the Secret Service, or the military, which made it easier."
He also explains how WTC-7 was “loaded with explosives in strategic places” in the month leading up to the day that changed the course of American history and has led to the USA becoming an almost dictatorship like country where laws enacted after that day have seen unlimited powers given to the President.

Laws such as the PATRIOT ACT and NDAA to kill on demand, lock someone up without trial or knowledge of their crime, shut whistle-blowers up with security letters that prevent them speaking out, and many others that have brought us an almost constant war since that event. A war that follows the plan laid out in the PNAC document to take over the Middle East and build up the USA's already massive empire and military.

Anyone wanting to return the US to rule by the constitution needs to actually read the document and realise why it is being ignored.

The problem is stories like this are being hidden and new Internet laws will make sites like this so slow to reveal such events.

People are too concerned helping to fill UTAH's massive data centre with their life story by posting everything they do on Facebook that then gets logged forever. The history of every American through massive surveillance schemes made legal by laws such as the PATRIOT ACT and hidden NSA programs that were used on the USSR but have been turned on America are helping to remove any last vestiges of privacy in the USA. Just ask William Binney who designed some of the software that has been turned on us without permission from Congress.

As this demolition whistle-blower is American, I am guessing he probably has thoughts of pearly gates and meeting St Peter on his mind if he is still alive, and I am sure he wanted to clear his conscious before meeting the man in the sky.

It reminds me of the death bed confession by E Howard Hunt who confessed to being involved in the assassination of JFK whilst dying >> Watch the Deathbed Confession of CIA Agent, E. Howard Hunt to his son on the JFK Assassination here.

You can believe these confessions or you can dismiss them as people wasting their last breaths speaking bull shit. However I really cannot believe you would want to spend your last minutes putting your family in danger by spilling the beans on Government secrets that would enrage the country if everyone actually listened.

I particularly like the part in this video where Mr Howard, not E Howard Hunt, says that:
"We kept watching replays of the demolition, we had the whiskey and cigars out, and then all of a sudden the strangest thing happened. We all started to worry that it looked a bit too smooth. We watched the tape again and again and again and we started to get paranoid. It looked like a controlled demolition. We thought shit, people are going to question this. And then we heard that people from the street were reporting that they heard the explosions during the afternoon. When we were told that the BBC botched their report and announced to the world that the building collapsed 20 minutes before it actually did… At that point we really thought the gig was up."
Yes I agree, and anyone with a brain and eyes to see the truth should too.

If this man had spoken out at the time it would have helped the 9/11 Truth movement a lot but it would have certainly meant his own death. In the video the speaker says that the CIA lie all the time but if you were dying would you want to clear your conscience before a possibe meeting with God or would you waste your last words on this planet telling lies. I personally don't think I would waste my last moments telling fake stories. Plus the CIA would certainly have cleaned his name, and disavowed him for speaking out to cover their backs. If you cannot watch this video, use Opera with VPN on and select Asia as when I went to BitChute to get a new copy, as YouTube had obviously taken the video down, it said it was "deemed potentially illegal within your country by our moderation team" - so much for BitChute being free speech videos.

Seeing he is already dying he will only waste a CIA bullet.



By Dark Politricks

© 2017 Dark Politricks

Tuesday, 17 March 2015

ISIS, Israel, Iran and the "War on Terror"

ISIS, Israel, Iran and the "War on Terror"

By Dark Politricks

This is what I mean when I stated in my last article that we are hypocritical when it comes to our treatment of Saudi Arabia in relation to ISIS.
Saudi Arabia, has decided to lash a woman 200 times for being gang-raped by seven men. Her actual crime was leaving her house, thus making being gang-raped her own fault, - Gang Raped Saudi Woman Sentenced to 200 lashes, 6 months in jail.
Two “Islamic States”, one gets massive arms supplies, Royal visits and ignored when it comes to their human right abuses. Whilst the other gets bombed and denounced as terrorists for doing the same thing in a cruder manner.

Whilst I have no problem admitting these evil ISIS bastards are terrorists. We must remember that we helped create them with our divide and conquer strategy in the Middle East that seems to be for the Greater Israel project.

Keep the enemy fighting amongst themselves whilst Israel expands and Bibi gets standing ovations at Congress for denouncing Iranian bomb making that is based on flimsy evidence at best, on top of a whole lot of lies and ignored data from reputable Atomic inspectors and agencies.

It seems as if the Israeli President is more concerned about a non factual threat from Iran, whilst sitting on a whole pile of nuclear weapons that could destroy the Middle East himself, than the threat of ISIS on his door. Why?

Why would the Israelis who were so concerned about al-Qaeda not feel the threat of ISIS on their borders and concentrate instead on Iranian bomb making.

Here we have 3 Islamic States all being treated differently because of what they CAN do for their allies, and who they are allied to, rather than their actual potential threat to the outside world.

If we had to order the three by the amount of death and evil they have done to the world then Saudi Arabia, Israel’s ally against Iran and funder of terrorism around the world including 9.11 would surely sit at the top and Iran at the bottom.

The Saudi’s practise a form of 18th century Wahhabist Islam that the European Parliament in 2013 labelled as the main source of global terrorism.

This brutal form of anti Shi’ite Islamic brutality has even led to attacks on American citizens on their homeland. In fact entire sections of the 9.11 commission report was blacked out keeping Saudi Arabia’s name from their findings.

Even this nypost.com. explains it clearly.

“The Saudis deny any role in 9/11, but the CIA in one memo reportedly found “incontrovertible evidence” that Saudi government officials — not just wealthy Saudi hardliners, but high-level diplomats and intelligence officers employed by the kingdom — helped the hijackers both financially and logistically. The intelligence files cited in the report directly implicate the Saudi embassy in Washington and consulate in Los Angeles in the attacks, making 9/11 not just an act of terrorism, but an act of war.

“The findings, if confirmed, would back up open-source reporting showing the hijackers had, at a minimum, ties to several Saudi officials and agents while they were preparing for their attacks inside the United States. In fact, they got help from Saudi VIPs from coast to coast.“
View the full article at nypost.com.

This can only be down to the close relationship between ex Saudi US ambassador, Prince Bandar and the Bush clan that prevented the natural course of a post 9.11 war on the real attackers, Saudi Arabia and their white washing from the attacks.

According to the official conspiracy theory, 15 of the hijackers were Saudi, with Saudi financing and Saudi help according to the leaked sections from the 28 full pages of the 800 page 9/11 commission report that were classified due to George W Bush’s say so.

Where 7,200 words once stood in the 9/11 commission report there are now just dots where a huge section related to the involvement of Saudi Arabia in the attacks were laid out.

“A pair of lawmakers who recently read the redacted portion say they are “absolutely shocked” at the level of foreign state involvement in the attacks.”

So why didn't we see Saudi Arabia burned to a crisp rather than two unrelated countries that seemed to only further US and Israeli geopolitical goals?

Could it be the Bandar-Bush close ties or as some say “terrorist network”, that kept Saudi Arabia’s name from the report, despite their deep involvement in the killing of thousands of American citizens.

I keep being reminded of ex Mossad agent, Victor Ostrovsky in his book “By Way of Deception” when he repeats what he was told was the future of Saddam Hussein in the Middle East.
“After the bombing of Libya, our friend Qadhafi is sure to stay out of the picture for some time. Iraq and Saddam Hussein are the next target. We’re starting now to build him up as the big villain. It will take some time, but in the end, there’s no doubt it’ll work.”

“But isn’t Saddam regarded as moderate toward us, allied with Jordan, the big enemy of Iran and Syria?”

“Yes, that’s why I’m opposed to this action. But that’s the directive, and I must follow it. Hopefully, you and I will be done with our little operation before anything big happens. After all, we have already destroyed his nuclear facility, and we are making money by selling hlm technology and equipment through South Africa.”

In the following weeks, more and more discoveries were made regarding the big gun and other elements of the Saddam war machine. The Mossad had all but saturated the intelligence field with information regarding the evil intentions of Saddam the Terrible, banking on the fact that before long, he’d have enough rope to hang himself. It was very clear what the Mossad’s overall goal was. It wanted the West to do its bidding, just as the Americans had in Libya with the bombing of Qadhafi.

After all, Israel didn’t possess carriers and ample air power, and although it was capable of bombing a refugee camp in Tunis, that was not the same.

The Mossad leaders knew that if they could make Saddam appear bad enough and a threat to the Gulf oil supply, of which he’d been the protector up to that point, then the United States and its allies would not let him get away with anything, but would take measures that would all but eliminate his army and his weapons potential, especially if they were led to believe that this might just be their last chance before he went nuclear.
By Way Of Deception - Victor Ostrovsky

It seems as if the Israeli’s are up to their old tricks again regarding Syria and Iran using proxies such as ISIS to do their fighting for them plus of course the axis of war, the US/UK, who think they can win wars by bombing from planes.

In reality many people think this war from the air is an excuse to supply ISIS with weapons to keep the war going. Numerous papers have reported on this.

Iraqi army downs 2 UK planes carrying weapons to ISIL

Here is the Washington Post trying to excuse the dropping of weapons to ISIS by saying it was an accident.

We can’t have the war on terror ending too soon can we! Not when the militarisation of our police forces at home isn't yet complete and we still have a few liberties left.

Remember this war on terror was because we had to fight these evil terrorists who hated our freedoms.

Doesn't anyone think it strange we have lost more freedoms in the years since this war started than in any time before. Even when the IRA was at war with us for 30+ years we didn't give up our liberties at home.

It was only with the installation of MI5 mole Tony Blair in the Labour party, who brought it so far into the centre ground that there was hardly any difference between it and the Tories, that we started handing our freedoms over on a plate and misusing them, such as Gordon Brown using anti-terrorism laws to freeze Icelandic money in UK banks after their financial crash.

I think the only left wing party left with any MP’s in the UK parliament is the Green Party who has one! All the rest are pro-war, pro-austerity, pro-US foreign policy and pro-globalist.

So whilst Saudi Arabia is allied with Israel due their common hatred of Iran, the ISIS terrorists that Iran are actually doing the main fighting against along with the Kurds are being built up as the next big bogey man we should attack.

A repeat of Mossads built up of Saddam Hussein as the big bogey man so that their “big brother” could beat it up in the school playground years before.

If ISIS don’t attack Israel with all their weapons, money from oil sales to western companies, supplies from the US/UK and a supposedly rabid fundamentalist approach to Islam then something is very strange!

Either it’s due to factions within Saudi Arabia that are still financing them and commanding them not to disturb their Israeli ally or the Israeli’s have some kind of control over the group.

Even al-Qaeda made repeated calls to annex the evil Zionist state but I have been dearth of hearing anything of that kind from the head of Islamic State, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

Are Mossad following their motto “by way of deception” or is something else going on?

© 2015 Dark Politricks

View the original article at www.darkpolitricks.com.

Tuesday, 4 June 2013

The true face of hell for Palestinians due to Israel and Zionism

The true face of hell for Palestinians due to Israel and Zionism

By Dark Politricks

This documentary shows you the history of the plight of the Palestinian people since the Zionists over took Judaism and led it down a road of self fulfilling prophecy - e.g the return to the holy land.

This video is a must watch for anyone who considers themselves a "Christian" supporter of Israel.

Remember you don't have to be Jewish to be a Zionist and you don't have to be Jewish to be Israeli.

Many Christians support Israel because they foolishly believe that the Jews returning to Israel is a sign that Jesus is about to return. All the while forgetting that this was prophecy not fulfilled by God but through the acts of man and acts that were not ours to commit.

Remember, and you will see many real Jews in this video talking about this. Many real Jews do not believe in the state of Israel as it exists now.

They see it as an affront to God as they were not given the land by God but through the Zionist movement who manipulated world consensus after the 2nd World War, holding the holocaust over the Wests head so that we gave them the right to another people's land.

Remember this was not a land without people for a people without a land. This was a land full of people that were kicked out, massacred and murdered by the Zionists in their quest for a homeland.

We had no right to give the land of Palestine to the Jews after World War II. As the film says how would you like it if I turned up at your home with my own holy book and said "my book says that your home belongs to me - hand it over"?

In fact as the Jewish people were maltreated, discriminated against and even killed throughout western Europe throughout the years the Middle East was one of the few places the Jews had no problem living in.

There used to be very large Jewish communities all over the Middle East from Iran to Iraq to North Africa. There are still large numbers of Jews even in Iran and when the Muslim empire receded in the Middle Ages from Spain the Jewish people left alongside the Muslims as they feared the actions of the Christians a lot more than those the Muslims may commit.

Therefore the Palestinian people are paying for Western guilt over the holocaust and the Zionists have no problem playing the holocaust card whenever possible to use that guilt to their advantage.

No other country since South Africa has lived under such apartheid yet we are not blockading Israel instead we are allowing it to get away with massacres on international waters, the use of chemical weapons in civilian areas, the killing of children and many more crimes that we wouldn't put up with for a minute if that country didn't have such strong lobby groups pulling the strings of our politicians.

Anti-Semite, anti-Semite! They shout as you attack Israel's foreign policy, forgetting that most Israeli's are not even Semites and instead immigrants with no link to the land.

It has been admitted by many Israeli politicians and peace activists that this tactic of denouncing anyone who attacks Israel as an anti-Semite is a tool that has been successfully used over the years to squash dissent.

However we are now getting wise to this and can see through their hollow shouts as Palestinians kids throw stones at tanks and Israeli fighter planes paid for by American tax dollars fire missiles into chicken farms, Mosques and homes.

Under international law refugees are supposed to be able to return to their homeland however the Palestinians are stuck in squalid refugee camps as well as open air prisons such as Gaza with no right of return. All the while a convert to Judaism who has no links to the land can go and live in Israel as if they were 1st class citizens and the Palestinians 2nd class.

Just remember, the Zionists don't respect Christians, they allow themselves to be supported by Christians who don't realise how their "saviour" Jesus is denigrated and mocked by both religious texts and television shows.

They want our support for their "Greater Israel" and have no qualms about using false flag attacks such as the Lavron Affair or the attack on the USS Liberty to get us to fight for them. Don't believe me - just check those two historical events out.

Watch the video below or on youtube.com.


View the original video Israel - Occult Zionism - Hell on Earth - Documentary - WW3 - NWO on youtube.com

You can read the original article "Israel and Zionism - the true face of hell for Palestinians" at my main website www.darkpolitricks.com/

Thursday, 23 May 2013

British soldier is beheaded by Islamic fundamentalists and we want to arm them in Syria?

British soldier is beheaded by Islamic fundamentalists and we want to arm them in Syria?

By Dark Politricks

Whilst we are busing arming and funding Syrian rebels who behead and eat the hearts of Syrian soliders It seems that the same Islamic fundemenalists who we are supposedly helping have no qualms about killing the soldiers who have helped them on many occassion. It seems clear to me which side they are really on - NOT OURS! 

Therefore it makes it all the more stranger that we are constantly talking about intervening in countries like Syria. Are we forgetting there is a large Christian and non Islamic community who will undoubtably suffer if we let Islamic nutters take over the country with weapons supplied by us?

This is all made much more clearer with the horrific machete attack on a UK solidier in South London last night. If the killers were people who wanted us to help Syrian Muslims then they have a funny way of showing it.

However if they are sick to death, like many westerners, of this constant war of terror then they have clearly brought it back to our streets so we can feel the effects of it.

Our actions have consequences and by supporting governments who bomb, kill and maim civilians from drones is only going to cause more incidences like this one. Votes count - make sure yours does and remember that a strong army to "defend" the country is not the same as a strong army to "attack" other countries.

Our main problem is we have no actual point of reference when it comes to who we fight and who we support. It is like our leaders toss a coin to decide whether the Islamic fighters in country A are worth supporting whilst those in country B deserve a few bombs dropped on them.

We fight al-Qaeda linked Muslims in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Iraq and back al-Qaeda in Libya and Syria.

Israel is even bandaging up the wounded "enemies" of Syria (who we are also supposed to believe are the enemies of Israel) up and send them back to fight from special front line hospitals.

All the while we shoot, bomb and fire £400,000 missiles into mud huts in other Islamic countries.

How many weddings and funerals is it now that we've accidentally blown up because we mistook the crowd for terrorists? Did we even check the bodies to see if we got the target right? I doubt it.

It makes me think we are trying to extend this never ending war on terror for as long as possible. It would certainly make companies like Halliburton, Xe and the military industrial complex happy as they would have a perfect replacement for the Cold War enemies of years gone by to milk our government and tax payers for weapons, re-construction and security.

This clash of civilisations was predicted way back in the 80's to justify western liberal cohesion by creating an enemy that we would all get together to fight just as we saw the Soviets as that evil empire in the 20th century Islam is their replacement in the 21st.

It just so happens that we helped this enemy rise to prominence by arming them to fight left wing forces in moderate Muslim countries and used them to fight proxy wars against the Soviets as in Afghanistan.

I have to wonder how long this war on terror is supposed to go on for?

Just enough so that we lose all our liberties at home? You know the ones that those terrorists hate us for (as we were told by George W Bush many years back) just so we can throw them away and save our enemies the trouble of taking them from us.

Or is it just long enough until we are really ready to fight China for the few remaining natural resources that there will be in a decade or so?

Maybe it is both but whatever the reason there are plenty of reasons for many Muslim people around the world to be angry at the axis of war and our hypocritical foreign policy of both fighting and arming the same kind of Islamic fundamentalists that chopped this UK soldier up in front of a school.

Our double standards when it comes to who we arm and support is blatantly stupid and anyone who studies history can see that we have no "ethical foreign policy" as Robin Cook, the ex UK Foreign Secretary once espoused.

Whether it is a right wing nationalist dictator or groups of people who are enemies and on banned organisation lists one minute and then taken off to become our armed terrorist friends the next.

And lets not forget that dozens of inmates in Gitmo who were set for release multiple years ago are still on hunger strike because of the refusal of the US government to set them free.

If they have no control over their own lives at least they can control their own death - or so they thought until the US military started force feeding them.

Some would call that torture? Does it matter what we call it, we have already crossed the Rubicon on that one a long time ago.

So whilst this attack is abhorrent and disgusting in every way. It is no different from the videos and pictures we saw the other week of a Syrian rebel cutting open the body of a Syrian soldier and eating his lungs and heart on tape.

(Warning - graphic pictures)


It seems yet again that the blow-back I talked about in my last piece on the Syrian war: "Here we go again more propaganda and lies" is already coming home to bite us squarely in the arse.

No-one in my country wants Sharia law apart from a few Muslim hardliners and to them I say very loudly "Sod off back to Saudi Arabia where you can enjoy getting your hands cut off for thieving a loaf of bread instead of a slap on the wrist by our liberal western courts".

I don't want any English women to wear Burkas. Not only is it misogynist and a blatant sign of cultural ideas trumping scripture because men want to rule the roost, but I want to enjoy the sun, the short skirts and the nightclubs if I can thank you very much! If I didn't I would move to an Islamic country.

However due to Labour's policy of letting anyone and everyone into our country over their years in power including so many terrorists that the USA and Russia labelled LONDON, Londonistan. We are now full of terrorists we cannot deport because they would be tortured in their home country for their crimes.

We are also full to the brim of people who don't want to assimilate, feel like we all hate them when they pick up the daily papers, and now there are more than a few thousand young unemployed Muslim men who hate our way our life and "western decadence" and don't feel English in anyway.

Therefore when they see people from their own countries, people they feel connected to through religious and cultural ties, bombed and murdered by western made munitions and western troops they are going to re-act.

Wouldn't you if you lived in Pakistan and saw Pakistanis bombing and killing Americans or Britains? 

Of course there is no rational explanation for what these dogs did to one of our soldiers but there is an easy fix.

Get the fuck out of business that shouldn't involve us and let people who want to otherthrow their government do it by themselves. Leave the geo-political chess games alone and do the main function of government and defend our borders NOT attack other countries.

We had no right to go to war in Iraq and now up to a million civilians have died because of it.

We had no right to side with the Benghazi rebels in what was a blatant tribal war and now we have turned a relativley prosperous and healthy and educated populus into one ruled by rebel gangs and western armed ex terrorists.

The same has to be said of Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen as we drop bombs on villages from drones controlled from thouands of miles away. We use a generation of soldiers grown up on Playstations to fly drones with controllers modelled on the same computers and we don't even bother to count the bodies as we fly off to our next target.

I wonder how many relatives of the dead innocent victims of these attacks have promised vengeance on US or UK soldiers at their funerals?

If there are terrorists who have actually committed crimes (not just spouted off on the Internet) then we should send in special forces, extract them and try them in a court of law. We should be showing the world we are better than them NOT the same as them. What ever happened to "leading by example" and having a belief in "moral superiority".

By dropping bombs from drones on poor peoples homes from a far and not even knowing if we killed a true terrorist of just a whole innocent family trying to survive on less than $1 a day we are letting the world see our callousness.

There is a reason I call the west "the axis the war" e.g. USA/UK/France, and it was no surprise that at the time of the attack in Woolwich our heroic PM, "Call me Dave" Cameron, was with French President François Hollande discussing arming the same sorts of people who just cut our own soldiers hearts out in but in Syria.

Are we fucking stupid? It would seem so to me.

These Islamic rebels who want to impose Sharia law wherever they go haven't thanked us for Libya and they surely won't thank us for Syria if we end up supporting and arming them.

History is full of our hypocrisy over al-Qaeda and long ago we even helped the al-Qaeda linked KLA in their battle with Serbia. What does that tell you apart from the fact that we have no ethical line in the sand when it comes to war and selling arms to whoever we can is more important than an ethical foreign policy.

If "call me Dave" had any sense he would have said in his COBRA meeting today that we should pull out of the Stan ASAP and start a peace process in Syria NOT throw more coal into the fire.

However I doubt that thought was even mentioned by anyone sitting round the table. What I can presume is that more liberty destroying measures were discussed such as real time monitoring of social media, ID cards, profiling Muslims and throwing other liberties away. All things that we should be more scared of losing than the rare occurrence of a terrorist attack on our streets.

If you read my last article from the Corbett Report about Zbigniew Brzezinski, The Conspiracy Theorist then you will know that he was the architect of al-Qaeda and the Taliban we are now fighting in the Stan.

He is also the reason the Stan produces the most smack in the world at the moment.

Why? All because the USA wanted to draw the Soviets into their own Vietnam. He succeeded and the hero of the war, a certain Mr bin-Laden soon became the biggest bogey man in the world.

Morals, ethics, don't make me laugh.


View the original article "An eye for an eye" As British soldier is beheaded on the streets of London on the main website darkpolitricks.com.

Sunday, 16 September 2012

The Real Culture War is just about starting

The Real Culture War is just about starting

By Dark Politricks

From a European perspective the culture wars in the USA seem to be over such insignificant matters that the two parties seem indistinguishable from each other.

The GOP call Obama a Marxist and the Democrats call the Republicans red neck creationists.

In reality their is little in difference between both high deficit, war mongering, police state, big government parties that incur huge government debts for their own purposes.

Do American's not realise that over here in Europe we actually have countries who still have Communist and Facsist parties holding seats in parliament and a range of parties from Green, Liberal, Conservative, Trade Union supporting and everything else in-between going for seats in parliament at every election.

The Americans seem to be fighting over the same things not realising that the major points that matter - war, the future of our planet, energy, workers rights, paying off our debts without killing growth (and our old people at the same time) are the things that really matter. To many Europeans there seems little difference between the Democratics and Republicans.

The real culture wars, which I believe have been planned for a very long time, probably since before the end of the Cold War as the military industrial complex looked for a new enemy to bring in their billions of dollars are going to be religious based. Christian & Judaism verus Islam or Liberalism verus Middle Age thinking.

This is the same military industrial complex Dwight Eisenhower spoke about in his farewell speech.


These are the descendants of the peace time standing armies Thomas Jefferson warned us about hundreds of years ago.
"Standing armies [are] inconsistent with [a people’s] freedom and subversive of their quiet." ~Reply to Lord North’s Proposition (1775)
Both these warnings have been ignored and the next war is on the brink of being played out RIGHT now.

Our multi culturlisam has let the enemies within our gates and now whole swathes of European cities from London to Amsterdam and Paris are full of Islamic extremists who have no concept of free speech, the right to offend or the rights of women.

Many of these people still live in a world formed by 7th century views.

As Western Judaeo Christian beliefs have lightened over the years and science has replaced mysitcism and magic as the way to find answers to questions we don't yet know we are being surrounded by people who won't change their dogmatic beliefs because the Koran says so.

Gods word is fixed and unchangeable to many of these people.

A point in time back in the 7th century was the end of all progress for many Muslims including the Taliban who before the Americans invaded Afghanistan had banned music, dancing and all forms of sexual "deviance" as it broke the faith and led you to being executed in the middle of the Kabul football stadium.

The culture wars are being fought out everytime a radical Christian decides to burn a Koran or a video or cartoon mocking the phrophet Mohammed is played out and chaos insues around the world.

From the war zones where attacks on NATO bases have just been carried out to the riots in Middle Eastern cities and now to protests in European city centres.

Then there comes the backlash.

We have had the Nowegian mass murderer Behring Breivik killing not Muslims but 77 white children for their part in letting the enemy in the gates of Europe.

We have the English Defence League a replacment for the National Front which used to go round bashing up blacks and gay's  fighting the Burka clad women who don't even acknowledge a white male or say thank you if you let them across the road or open a door for them due to their religion/culture.

Plus the culturally abusive men who force their child daughters into servitude at an early age through forced marriages and then implement "honour killings" when they refuse to obey.

Much of this is culture NOT religion but it is being mixed up so much people can not longer tell the difference and the men in these families will use religion as an excuse to carry out these barbaric acts.
Now this is not to say I am a Muslim basher as nothing can be further from the truth.

I know people who call themselves Muslim just like those who call themselves Jewish or Christian who still smoke, drink, take drugs or have affairs.

Heck I know a white bloke who converted to Islam just so that he could marry his Muslm neighbour because if he wanted to divorce her he only had to tell her 3 times.

I know Muslims who parents must think they are good Islamic followers of the faith as they are outside all night partying after leaving the Mosque on a Friday. Everything a non fundermentalist liberal culturised Brit would do on a normal Friday night out on the town.

The enemy is not every Muslim.

Just like the fact that every American Christian isn't an abortionist killing, death penalty loving, creationist believing contradiction wrapped up in a riddle.

The enemy is a strict belief in a religion that was written by uneducated people hundreds of years ago to explain the world around them and then spread with the threat of hell if you stray from the path and the reward of heaven or 72 virgins if you die a matyr to your faith.

The enemy is a strict belief in any religion that tells you what to eat, when to eat, how to have sex, who to have sex with, who to hate and so on.

This applies to all religions not just Islam.

However everytime some anti-Islamic film is made or Koran burnt many of the people rioting and killing NATO troops have not even seen said film, cartoon or book and they are acting on the orders of others who are stoking up their rage.

Afghanistan is a mess.

We should have never gone in there in the first place and once we leave the hundreds if not thousands of sleeper cells inside the NATO trained Afghan army and police will come out and fight and it will all turn to shit again. We will have accomplished nothing.

We are already at the peak of Green on Blue deaths with 51 NATO troops killed so far this year.
A senior Afghan official in Kabul is quoted as saying that "the issue of rogue soldiers and Taliban infiltration is an even bigger threat than suicide attacks."

Once we leave "the Stan" and return home will the real culture war end or will it just be starting?

Have we left it too late to have any hope of assimiliating the millions of Muslims now living in Europe into Western Liberal culture that allows free speech and does not protect the right to be offended?

Many have been assimilated but many others led by radical clerics and Imans are all too keen to express the same rage over silly  produced films as their Middle Eastern counterparts are doing such as the one below.



These fundamentalist Muslims want to implement Sharia law across the world and see our western liberal freedoms as a weakness not a strength. We can watch a film like the one above and say "that's rubbish and a crock of shit" without going on murderous rampages around the world.

It makes it all more surprising that we have been spending the last few years removing dictators and strong men that were western friendly and kept a lid on all the Islamic infighting and religious mania.

People like Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein and Mubarak who may have been nasty dictators but who were leaders that let Christians and Muslims live side by side. Heck, even Iran has one of the largest number of Jews living inside it outside Jerusalem and New York.

However we decided to arm al-Qaeda linked rebels and other religious fanatics and let them other-throw these dictators and now the Middle East is a mess.

These NATO armed religious rebels who are walking around their towns with guns and rockets paid for by our taxes will be all too keen to turn them on us once their missions are accomplished. Just like the Mujahideen turned in al-Qaeda after we created them in the 80's to fight the USSR. We can only wait for the blowback.

Obviously this all plays into the hands of those who want to ramp up the war against Islam and extend the high tech surveillence state at home.

Even the odd false flag attack now and then to be blamed on Muslims wouldn't hurt to stoke up the feelings that a real war is needed to stop these fanatics wouldn't be past the people I'm talking about.

This could just be the reason our "leaders" were looking for to finalise the all invasive, all seeing, police state that is being created brick by brick around us as you read this article.

When the enemy has been let in willingingly and then stoked up by being placed in ghettos like the outskirts of Paris, given little or no jobs and treated like 2nd class citizens by the people they came to live with, it becomes easy to take a youngster and radicalise him against his neighbours.

Mix in the one thing they hold dear - their religion - constantly mocked and attacked through stupid movies and laws banning head scarfs and Burkas and it only becomes clear the real culture war is going to be between western liberalism and Islam.

Once riots becoming an almost monthly occurrence across Europe because of this culture war, then it only becomes "sensible" to keep track off everybody for "their own good".

With the all pervasive high tech surveillance state and city sized super computers watching your every move on and offline in case dissent forms and the real culture war turns hot and bloody.

Whether we can roll back from the brink however is a totally different matter and one I don't know the answer to. I just hope we can find one soon.

Sunday, 20 May 2012

How do you differentiate a cult from a religion

By Dark Politricks

Watching Big Questions this morning (2 articles in a row now its spawmed) there was only one question which was "What's the difference between a Cult and Organised Religion"

On one side were the standard old age religionists, Christians, Catholics, Rabbis and Muslims and on the other side we had members of existing "new" religions such as Raelians, Moonies - or as they are called now members of the "Unification Church", an ex member of the Branch Davidians which if you remember was the target of the ATF and FBI ended up in a state sanctioned massacre of 82 religious people.

The audience was also filled with ex members of cults, physchologists who have studied the "brainwashing" techinques used by such called groups and other affected by these groups in one way of another. In my mind it is quite simple but lets look at a definition of a Cult
  • a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
  • an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
  • the object of such devotion.
  • a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
  • Sociology . a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
Lets look at the definition of a Religion
  • a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
  • a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
  • the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
  • the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
  • the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
In mine and many in the audiences (apart from those belonging to organised religions) not much differece. Jesus was supposedly a characteristic person who had followers - apparantly a key sign of a cult.

The same could be said about Mohammed, Buddha, Hari Krishna and many other "old religions".

 The disagreement seems to be as one person said one of size. The Catholic Chuch is a huge and rich organisation whereas some of the orgainisations called cults such as the Raelians who believe we were created (just as scientisits on this planet are now starting to do with DNA) by human beings from another planet in the universe. A case of aliens geo-engineering the earth and it's inhabitants.

When compared to some of the stories that the "official" religions believe in such as virginial births, coming back to life after dying and peforming miracles not too bizare a belief. What got my interest though was that one of the audience members said to an ex member of the Branch Davidians asked whether the leader David Koresh sexually abused children at the branch.

The member denied this but others of the "scientific" community said that one of the signs of a cult as compared to a religion was the sexual abuse that was endemic within cults which had such charesmatic leaders that the followers did whatever he said due to brain washing techniques as well as the cult of personality.

This seemed to be a big difference between living your life by a set of defined values (as Christians, Jews and Muslims supposedly do) whilst cult members didn't.

 There wasn't any mention of the numerous cases of sexual abuses, pedophilia, cover ups and criminal cases over the years that have been engrained in "old religons" since their conception. We have just experience a major Catholic cover up over its treatment of pedophile priests which led all the way up to the ex Nazi Youth Pope.

Court case after case in Ireland has shown the Catholic Church to be one of the biggest organised pedophole rings in the world - and one of the most well funded and protected. The same sort of sexual abuse has been endemic in Chrisitian history for a long time.

Why a man of breeding age would willingly chose abstinence and the company of little boys over a normal life seems obvious to me but in these times where phychology would give more than one answer it seems like an old excuse to hide ones sexual pedidocs from the community at large.

Islam has always had its critics from those who called the original "cult leader" Mohammed certain terms for the age of some of his wives. However in some states of America where the age in some states it's 18 you might call the Spannish strange for having an age of consent of only 13 and other European countries from 13, 14 up to 18. Even in some places in Africa and Asia is not uncommon for child weddings where an old man takes a 12 year old as a wife. From Wikipedia:
Traditionally, across the world, the age of consent for a sexual union was a matter for the family to decide, or a tribal custom. In most cases, this coincided with signs of puberty, menstruation for a woman and pubic hair for a man. In Ancient Rome, it was very common for girls to marry and have children shortly after the onset of puberty. The first recorded age-of-consent law dates back 800 years:
In 1275, in England, as part of the rape law, a statute, Westminster 1, made it a misdemeanor to "ravish" a "maiden within age," whether with or without her consent. The phrase "within age" was interpreted by jurist Sir Edward Coke as meaning the age of marriage, which at the time was 12 years of age. In the 12th century Gratian, the influential founder of Canon law in medieval Europe, accepted age of puberty for marriage to be between 12 and 14 but acknowledged consent to be meaningful if the children were older than 7.
There were authorities that said that consent could take place earlier. Marriage would then be valid as long as neither of the two parties annulled the marital agreement before reaching puberty, or if they had already consummated the marriage. It should be noted that Judges honored marriages based on mutual consent at ages younger than 7, in spite of what Gratian had said; there are recorded marriages of 2 and 3 year olds.
And then there is the Jewish Talmud, the book of laws made by Rabbis that is full of teachings that allow Rabbis to have sex with girls of extremley young ages or not consider rape illegal if the man was a rabbi.

These Talmudic laws have been known for a long time but are not unique for an age in which rape wasn't even considered a crime. Even in England raping your wife wasn't considered a crime until back in 1990. So sexual behaviour cannot be considered a sign of cultish behaviour.

However when a science fiction writer claims that "the best way to make a million dollars is to start a religion" and then goes on to do exactly that. Charging people thousands of dollars for learning it's many steps up to the big reveal, the "ultimate secret" one that wouldn't be out of place in any science fiction book:
Scientologists believe that 75 million years ago an evil galactic ruler, named Xenu, solved overpopulation by bringing trillions of people to Earth in DC-8 space planes, stacking them around volcanoes and nuking them. Then the souls of these dead space aliens were captured and boxed up and taken to cinemas where they were shown films of what life should be like, false ideas containing God, the devil and Christ and told to get ill. After that they supposedly clustered together and now inhabit our bodies. Scientologists believe that if they rid themselves of these body thetans then they will be healthier and will gain special powers like mind-over-matter.
People who try to leave are harrassed, treated as traitors and have even had to face legal cases over their revelations of the "big secret" that people like Tom Cruise and John Travolata pay up to $500,000 for this top secret information.

No wonder the Church of Scientology wants to keeps it's big secret secret! 

So there seems to be clear cases of made up religions that can be called cults, in which the aim of the organisation is to extract money from the member instead of a pay if you want to bag of donations passed around a Church on a Sunday morning.

However it seems that if one were to go back to the start of each off shoot of the Abrahamic faith with today's knowledge and science each new religion could easily fail into the class of a cult.

In my mind it is up to you what you want to believe but mocking anothers belief using claims that could easily fit your own brand of spiritual belief is stretching rationality at least a little.

When the definition of what is a religion and a cult are so indistinguisable from each other then maybe members of either grouping should stop to consider their beliefs before slagging off their opponents.

I'm right because my religious book says so therefore you must all be wrong is not a logical argument that standa up too long at all.

Sunday, 6 May 2012

Should faith schools be banned due to their effect on kids brains?


By Dark Politricks
I have just watched the "Big Questions" on BBC1 which you can watch in a few hours on BBC iPlayer and there are ways to watch it from abroad if you are technical enough or know what a proxy server is.

However the show was about religion and mainly about whether Religion was good for Children. This included faith schools and how child's brains are formed and can be indoctrinated during their younger years into religion. The debate was full of humanists, evangelical Christians, Muslims and Rabbi's.

Whilst there is no doubt that in this country at least which has a long history the Christian religion has brought many good things as well as bad things to the overall culture of the country such as original schooling, charitable foundations and people who were moral Christians who went out into the slums to help the poor because of their faith.

However we now live in a multicultural society and "the age of reason" where faith schools are allowed to exist which can create their admission policy around the students religious background. You can help change this by signing this petition.

We have had stories over the years of the Saudi Arabian supported schools that undercover reporters found were teaching things about defamatory things about Jews and Christians and much more.
In my belief faith schools are a bad thing as they teach separation on the lines of indoctrination.

Kids at the age they go to school are likely to follow the beliefs and actions of their parents. 

If their parents are religious they are likely to unquestionably follow their parents including religion and going to a faith school will re-inforce that belief. They are also less likely to mix with children from outside their faith as friendships are formed within school at that age.

As we know from Northern Ireland and the Protestant and Catholic schooling systems that helped keep the country divided for years schools can be the places where child's philosophies on life are formed (which is why many religious people take their children out of State schools to home teach as they believe they are too liberal).

For some children the school is the only place they receive any kind of mental stimulation or moral grounding as some parents are just too busy working all the time to pay for food, mortgages, clothes and other things that keep them alive.

Whilst many parent are not like that I have seen personally many children at the age of 5 that you can just tell are going to end up in prison as their parents only talk to them when they shout at them to tell them to shut up or sit down as they are too busy watching TV to play with them.

Therefore schools can be very important places and for some kids they are the only place they receive any kind of information, life skills and for some abused children any form of kindness and even love.
We all know from the statistics that many Church of England or Catholic schools in the UK have some of the top grades in the country for state schools which is why so many parents try to get their kids into them whether they are religious or not.

This is more a damming indictment on our state school system that a sign that faith schools provide a better education and moral grounding.

Our state schools are a mess and I personally can attest to that after being to one and it is through pure luck and my own brain that I didn't end up in prison like so many others of my peer group.

Through my own thirst for knowledge I went out and taught myself what I now know in this world through reading books many of which were religious (e.g history of religion(s)), studying philosophy and then when the Internet arrived I probably learned more in a couple years of surfing the web than I did in the whole of my state secondary school education.

In places in Southern states of America where religion is supposedly so strong, schools are evangelically christian by nature and children hold "purity rings" to show they won't have sex until they are married as they are taught by their Christian religion they have some of the highest levels of teenage pregnancy, sexually transmitted disease, anal sex and other signs that the kids are breaking the rules or bending the indoctrination to fit in their hormones.

At the time of their life when the urge to have sex suddenly arrives but a moral code forced on them forbids it - what happens? They try to "bend the rules" and end up having anal or oral sex as they see it as not having "real" sex as it doesn't lead to pro-creation.

As many religious people on all sides claim, morals are linked to religion and without their religion they wouldn't have a moral grounding. This really annoys humanists and atheists as it signifies that moral behaviour is somehow only available to followers of a certain belief system.

Obviously this is hogwash as not only would it mean that without the religious belief the person would become a murdering, raping, lunatic which is plainly crazy but it would mean that all the millions of people who are not followers of a religion would be non-moral unethical walking anti-christs.
Humanists do what is right because it is right not because an old book or myth handed down Chinese whisper style before it could be written down says so.

What I found interesting from the debate was what one person said about linking a moral code to a belief system, as many religions do. That when, as many do, people leave the religion they are likely to leave the moral code behind as well because the two have become so intrinsically linked together in that persons mind.

In this scenario the person might engage in immoral behaviour to spite the religious teachings they had forced upon them, which might be the root cause of this belief of religion equals  morals.
This could be the "lack of morals" that some religious people see when they talk about the lack of morals in humanists and atheists but it but it is also a good reason why ethics and morals should be taught on their own right at school without any linkage to religion at all. People should be taught that doing good things is good for their own sake not because Jesus or Mohammed said it was good.

Good ethics and morals are something I cannot ever remember being taught at school and it should be a parents jobs to teach right from wrong without indoctrinating the child into a belief system anyway.

The school however should realise that in this day and age, when riots are occurring around the land and the economy is collapsing and whole estates are no-go areas for the Police that they should be a backstop in case of these missing "home lessons" that undoubtedly so many kids today don't get at all.

I remember my own Religious Education lessons at school and they were just a time for winding up our very religious (Christian obviously) teacher.

I remember one lesson trying to be the critical and questioning child that we should all want our children to be and on the subject of heaven I asked "what happens in heaven".

The teacher replied that in heaven we were all given jobs to do by God and went around working for him. I replied that it all sounded very boring and I didn't really want to go to heaven if that was all that happened and that hell sounded a lot more exciting. I was sent out of the lesson in disgrace - no questioning my indoctrination in this class please.

As a book writer on the subject talked about on the show, at the age we are at school our brains are forming and in the "questioning, critical analysis" stage which should be nurtured not stubbed out through indoctrination and blanket yes/no answers to big questions that kids want to know at that age.

Questions we still ask such as "where did I come from" , "why are we here" and "what is the meaning of life and does there even need to be one"

These are all questions that some of us are still trying to find the answer for but through reason, science and logic not fairy tales and ancient stories.

At that time in our lives we undoubtedly live in a mystical age where we are likely to believe anything we are told. This is the reason we believe in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and read books about magicians, dragons and other Harry Potter style fantasies.

However we all grow up and whilst the myth of Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy were dispelled by me either sleepily catching my parents filling my stocking or being told at school at a young age it was all a myth the religious myths continued.

The main reason I suppose was that older people, people in authority were still believing these religious stories and as a child it is hard to disagree with authority (for some at least) when they tell you black is black or God exists. Case closed.

In my opinion, and I cannot see how we could do this unless we banned faith schools, banned home schooling and then countered any home time indoctrination by teaching ethics, morals, philosophy, psychology, sociology and even religion from a historical and cultural point of view. At least this way we ensure our kids get some useful knowledge from the time they spend at school as well as a moral grounding that might be missing at home in all in a non religious way.

Of course if we taught these lessons instead of the mundane and boring lessons that I can remember from my state school education it might even help solve the problem we currently have of parents feeling guilty by not being able to pay for their child to go to a private school and replace the loss of Grammar schools for the clever kids that have to suffer state school teaching. We must churn out those drug dealers and factory line workers...

It would raise state education standards for all pupils and also give our kids a grounding in morals and ethics that are not linked to any belief system they might discard later in life.
I am not against people choosing to believe in religion or the Flying Spaghetti Momster in the sky if they are old enough to make their own decisions.

I am however against children being indoctrinated into any religion at an early and particularly susceptible age in your life.

I am also against little boys and in some regions of the world girls being genitally mutilated by being circumcised when they are too young to make their own decision. Something that would be considered child abuse in any other context.

Remember it is not about religion it is about teaching right from wrong. And neither are linked to the story of Abraham and the 3 faiths that flowed from that story and make up the majority of religious believers today - Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
As Ghandi famously said: "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ"